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This comment from another thread was incredibly helpful perspective for me:

stevel wrote:

My strategy (and my recommendation to you) is if you're starting with "the basics" as I've laid out above, then it would be of great value for you to work things out by ear rather than relying on Tab. I generally will listen to a piece like this for a week or so in the car on my commute to get it "in my head" which makes it much easier to learn.

Then I'll work out basic structure - chords, sections, etc.

Then I'll work into the melody itself. With something like this, I'd typically pull out the things that repeat a lot (the main theme so to speak) and get that nailed down, then start figuring out the rest.

I know ~I~ still get frustrated figuring stuff out, wondering if I will ever become proficient at it. The excerpt from his other post copied/pasted above serves as a great reminder for me personally of the amount of time and effort that folks way, way far ahead of me on the path still have to put into it.

Based on stevel's various posts here (and assuming this is the same steve1 in Hampton Roads, VA who contributed this treasure trove of knowledge), I give great weight to his opinion/view/take. I also really (!!!) appreciate the time he puts into sharing his knowledge in such a generous, unassuming and humble manor. Thank you, steve1, the interwebz in general could use a lot more like you!

In the spirit of encouragement, helping (re)establish grounded & realistic expectations, and sharing tips that helped you that may help others too, I'd love to hear from others. What does your process and time scale look like for learning a new song?

Fady

El Mirage @ ReverbNation

I look to see if the tab has been posted, if it is one of my tab books, or if someone has Youtube'd it.
But I will not slavishly follow those sources note-for-note because of the plethora of mistakes. And there are times that I have to make a composite guitar part if there is a lot going on with keyboard and guitar tracks.

For learning any parts by ear, I admit that it is rather a haphazard, unstructured "jamming" along with the song to see what notes pop-out and what I can nail and remember.
As I delve into it, I plot out the different sections and any key modulations scopes out the framework for the song. Part of this is noting the chords/composite chords to establish the key signature and it will help guide. I use audio editing software to slow down for note passages and increase the lower frequencies to help establish hard-to-hear bass notes that also helps to establish composite chording.

One thing key for me to working out the guitar parts is to find the most likely of fret positions that correspond to how the guitar tone sounds (snappy and bright, likely nearer to the nut - rounder-sounding as you move away from the nut towards the higher frets)

Lorne
The Surf Shakers: https://www.facebook.com/TheSurfShakers
Vancouver BC Canada

Last edited: Oct 18, 2016 11:22:42

Having just added Mr Lou by The Space Rangers to my playlist I just went through this process. I started with thorough memorization of the song listening to it repeatedly and then went in a found the notes through trial and end error. For the epic chorus run I was lucky to find some live video and do some freeze frame for note location and then more experimentation. I am at the point of using memorization to build tempo and fluidity so that we can play it in a band situation. I'm not sure if tabs are available for this particular song but I don't tend to use them anyway. Youtube has made this process so much easier for multitudes of songs.

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As above I usually listen to the song for a while and absorb. Work out the rough framework and then pass the song to a slow-down app, playing along with it by looping areas section by section. Listening out for grace notes/slides that may indicate if the next passage is up or down the neck. Watching out for fast single lead notes that have a chord structure pattern. If I can find a video clip then I'll use it to cross reference, it doesn't matter if the video subject is far away or out of focus just so long as I can count the frets and see what area of the fret board is being used. Other times I'll download the video (some websites will do this free without installing anything) Once I have the video running in my media player I can slow it down or use EQ to enhance the guitar sound.

Last edited: Oct 19, 2016 10:55:27

HI Fady, yes, I'm the same guy Smile

It's steveL not "1", but that's OK, and feel free to call me Steve here and at TGP in discussion Smile

And thanks so much for your kind words!

I'm interested in how long you've been playing?

I've been playing for a very long time, so my process now has "matured" I suppose - in some ways I know a lot of crap already, so it's easier for me to just grab some things - like, for example, sometimes I'll hear a song in the car and I can tell from the sound of the chords what the chords actually are - I'll be like "C, Am, F, Em..." as the song is playing on the radio. Then I can go home and play it (if I remember it).

Though I can read music and could long time ago, I still find it FAR better to learn by ear.

I started by just trying to find the bass notes in pop songs - which often weren't all that elaborate (no inversions).

Later, I'd try to pick out notes on the higher strings (and still do) to get specific voicings and so on.

To some degree, I think learning like that - just sitting down with the radio every night and playing for hours on end - trying to figure out what I could (on the radio, so you only had one chance until you heard the song again!) both introduced me to a huge range of music and in essence forced me to practice working on my ear.

So to this day, that's my first line of approach.

But what I learned was, until I get the song in my head, even if I do figure it out in 5 minutes, I won't remember it the next day.

So now, if I'm learning a song for a band to play a gig that's a one-time deal, I'll often chart out the songs - basically they serve as "reminders" for me.

I generally tend to accept only gigs that I know the material for well by ear already - I mean, songs I've heard my whole life. For example, I've never actually learned to play "Tears of a Clown", but I've heard it enough times to know "how it goes".

As a counter example, I've tried to learn "Mr. Moto" - I did. Learned it note for note. I couldn't play it for you today if I tried. In fact, sitting here right now, I think the only thing I can tell you is the title of the song. I think - I think, it may be the same people who did "Squad Car", which I believe has a siren in it...

So if I were to take a gig playing "Mr. Moto", I'd have to re-learn it at this point. I just simply haven't listened to it enough to "have it in my head". I could learn it well enough in a week to read it from music, or from reminders I made myself, but I'd forget it in another week - because about all the time I spent on it was learning the song, and writing it out.

So it really helps me to really listen to the song a lot first (and continuously actually) to learn the song.

If a band calls me and says "we're playing "Pearl Necklace" by ZZTop, I'll be like "OK, I've heard it plenty, so I know how it goes" and can learn it pretty quickly - kind of because I know what to expect.

I've even been on stage and someone called a song (Blue Eyes Cryin in the Rain) and I played along on the spot - by ear - because having played enough songs like that, and having heard it enough times, I could basically "predict" what the changes were.

Now, if it was more complex, or jazz, or songs I was less familiar with, I couldn't have done that of course, but just being so familiar with it by ear, means I can learn it that much faster (again, whether I remember it a week later is a different issue...)

One thing that learning more by playing, and knowing theory (I took piano lessons as a kid, school band, then later guitar, then got a music degree) did for me was cut down on "trial and error" time - for example, if you know something is in A, you're less likely to try out chords with a Bb in them and more likely to think the chord is either A, D, or E, or possibly F#m, etc. And being able to hear the difference between major and minor also cuts down on that time even more.

I still get stumped by "odd" chords or uncommon chords, but I'll just slow down the music in an app and figure it out. Lately, because video lessons abound, I'll learn things from them instead, especially if I'm in a time crunch - I have no shame of using those shortcuts - videos, tabs, etc.

However, I would strongly recommend learning things by ear as much as possible (and of course, learning as much about theory and music in general as you can). The act of "figuring things out" both gives you a sense of accomplishment when you do, and seems to make them stick with you longer.

So now, my process can vary depending on the type of gig, type of material, how much time I have to prepare, and so on, but generally speaking - "get it in my head" aurally first, then start working it out bit-by-bit. If time is short, I'll "cheat" and use tabs or vids, or worst case, make up something to get me through the gig (also an important skill). But if it's something I really want to learn and have the time, I'll slow it down and learn it by ear - down to a single note repeated until I can figure it out - because as you know, sometimes the tabs and vids are wrong!!!!

My band, whenever we learn new songs, it generally starts between my main guitarist and myself. We work together well, and when he shows me a song, in this case specifically a cover song, he'll have already worked it out for the most part. I keep my drums very basic until I "get the song in my head", then I listen to the song a bunch on my own to get more subtle parts down. It ends up being a pretty easy transition showing the other members of the band. Our bassist just needs the chords and he figures out the rest from there. Our second guitarist likes to use effects and embellish the song. He's very subtle in his actual brilliance on guitar. For example, I always thought he was using his pedals to get an 'organ' like effect for the melodic parts on our version of 'Pipeline'...until I saw him do it plugged straight in to his Music Man amp. His fingering is what did it. Anyway. Our process is possibly different from others, we're just all lucky that we all happen to be very fast learners....I get called upon to fill in for bands on somewhat short notice because of this....

Hell, we busted out covers of 'Wicked Games' and REM's 'The One I Love', complete with surfy breaks, after one practice each. Our bassist hated that we moved that fast on them. Until we nailed it live. Big Grin

Gear:Kit:Pearl Reference series in Emerald Fade,Pearl rack,Pearl Demon Drive pedals,Tama Iron Cobra hi-hat stand, Sabian & UFiP cymbals.

Last edited: Oct 24, 2016 16:08:02

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