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Do bassist do those surf glissandos? Any bassist/band that uses them often? As a bassist how to feel about them? If you don't match glissandos with the guitar player what do you do during that bar (or half bar, or whatever).

I am playing guitar and my bassist started following me just about every time I do one. Sounds messy and I'm not sure if that's because the timings are out of sync, his 16th notes aren't quite even or if it just sounds silly played on bass. I tried it out on my bass and think it can sound ok with downpicked 8th note.

-Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP

It is not easy to do well on bass as the strings are thicker. There is also the issue of bias and pre-conceptions - to which guitar players are not immune. There's also the fact the bass players don't do it as much so they are less practiced at it. It can sound good. Making any kind of doubled or matched playing takes focus, communication, and rehearsal. There is also the expectation of bass players holding down the groove, so to do something else at the same time or instead of is stepping outside that damn box. My expectation would be that EVERY TIME is probably foolish for anything you play. How do you two communicate? One possibility is that it actually sounds fine or cool and it's your mindset. Another possibility is that it doesn't sound as good as he thinks it does - and if so, why is that, and how do you talk about that? Don't accept that it has to be a drag. How do you turn this into a strength for the band? My two cents before coffee. Good luck!

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If he doesn't already, suggest he switch to flats. Makes gliss's a little easier to control.

Danny Snyder

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I definitely have preconceptions and expectations of the role of a bass in surf. Maybe they are a bit narrow. I guess working out fills that don't clash is part of the process that I have not yet really thought about.

He's playing rounds but has commented many times that he wants to put flats on. Maybe that will help.

-Pierre
The Obsidians! (Ottawa surf)
The Obsidians debut EP

You might get some ideas from The Surf Coasters.

Copy/Paste in the YouTube search box:

Surf Coasters "Intruder" HB Pier Convention 2014

THE SURF COASTERS - 'BUMBLE BEE'

The Surf Coasters - Shark Man

I understand this personal situation well... As a bass player, I like to slide into notes as it helps create some excitement. But that's a different thing.

When I'm practicing or just playing alone, I'll play descending tremolo glissandos for sport. But I can't remember doubling these with the guitarists. The bass is just too deep and muddies up the sound when the notes are so rapid. Especially in a large room or hall and the guitar notes on reverb are already delayed...

When I play these things, the count is very important and I prefer to use a pick. Fingered notes just don't sound clear in this context. I play 16ths, and count them in fours... Alternating plectrum strokes... Just like Mr. Dale or Mrs. Kaye... These intro glissandos usually take one or two bars. So for every bar/measure of glissando I count four x four to obtain sixteen 16th notes per bar. It takes practice...

In the exciting Miserlou intro, Dick Dale is playing 16ths while the bass is silent... after the exciting guitar intro, the bassist plays 8th notes behind the guitar's 16ths of the melody.

In Diamond Head the bass is silent for the exciting guitar intro.

Why not use some "Friend" psychology... Listen to the exciting intro to Pipeline together and say, "Hey! I just noticed that the guitar does that alone! That's why I keep loosing the rhythm..." In other words, never say that you don't want him to play it... you could lose a bass player or even worse, lose a friend... you should take the fall! It's not his fault but yours... Get it? Tell him you need to concentrate... low frequencies and reverb and delay... anything...

Here's a bass cover of Pipeline and he does not play the intro glissando... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6baAReDZKn8

I used to want to play a lot of notes... now, I really enjoy playing the choice notes... the one's that make guitarists want to play bass... and when the music breaks, and the guitarist or drummer take the solo floor, I know that my first note is going to shake the dance floor. And I articulate every note for a fat, juicy tone that stands the band on it's head... I finally bought an Ampeg Classic 8x10 just for that reason... I even bought a compressor, a Sonic Stomp, a line driver and a volume pedal in order to get a superb bass tone... because that's where the money's at...

But I'm 60+ now, and I've learned guitar since and can also play the bass line of Jethro Tull's Bouree as well as the record... I'm celebrating because I just signed up with the El Bastardo's... here's a clip of them two years ago... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1X4k-Lmtkc

and I've written way too much because I have insomnia... Good Luck with your surfin' bro'...

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