The ladies of surf music are a lot more than just eye candy. I'd like to hear about their training, what got them into surf music, and maybe a mini biography about them,etc. And the most important part, would be to hear the compliments from the members of Surf Guitar 101 to the ladies.

This first paragraph is a prime example of how not to start a topic. I apologize, because it was the wrong thing to say. There are thousands of articles about the women of country music, rock n roll, etc. Why not one about the women of surf ? And that includes singers, managers, etc.

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Thank you. I'll have to add your book to my library. I have "Surf Beat" and "The Story of The Ventures" (I know the cork sniffers don't like The Ventures). I hope the women you talk about include the third wave or more recent groups,also.

Half of our band is women. What got us into music in general and then into instro/retro/surf is the usual story why any person plays music. There is not a special "why women choose to do it" answer any more than why blacks or gays as a people would play surf. But even if there were, why would "the most important part", rather than the answer direct from any women musicians themselves... be observing the men here complimenting them? Does that do something for someone male sitting back watching it happen?

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why would "the most important part", rather than the answer direct from any women musicians themselves... be observing the men here complimenting them? Does that do something for someone male sitting back watching it happen?

That was gross, I agree. I had decided to read that part of the OP as a joke, but assuming that's what it is, it's in poor taste.

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Thank you ArtS. You are correct ! "Respect for the ladies". That is exactly what I was looking for. I should have used that for my topic.

Catherine of The Space Cossacks is definitely on my list. Just to mention a few others are that definitely worth listening to and watching are: Yolanda of Los Twang Marvels, Karen of Meshugga Beach Party, Kristina of Moms I'd Like to Surf, and Svetlana of Messer Chups.

Please read our helpful comments in a friendly voice, without emotion attached and rather, just as a break-down of factual points. We should all be friends here united by our common interest. Therefore, if it helps some of you, read this in Spock's or Hal9000's voice.
Tonedawg, you probably and very genuinely mean to be respectful or you wouldn't bother wanting to learn about women surf musicians. But there is a bit to this post (and those that would defend a critique of it) that is akin to Redskins fans telling Native Americans that they shouldn't be offended...
For example: Saying you should have titled it "Respect for the ladies" still wouldn't change a certain...well..."ick" factor that is still there.
Right out of the gate, the first comment on women musicians includes a description of their role, but does say they can be more than that too, to be well meaning. So, the post starts:
Who: Female Musicians
They are: Eye Candy
Also: are more than just Eye Candy
Why would one need to use as a starting point of discussion how physically/sexually attractive a categorized group of people are in terms of bringing up talk of their musical histories and interests/abilities? Now, someone will chime in and say, "He said they're MORE than Eye Candy." That is no compliment. You'll see John didn't mention on the page of his book above if the first-wavers were pretty or the ugliest women ever seen. It's what they did that merits mention.
When a soloist at the Philharmonic takes a bow the conductor doesn't announce, "Miss (Whomever), ladies and gentlemen. Isn't she easy on the eyes? And she sure can play too." The crowd begins to boo. "What? I said she was great!"
It would be equally wrong to begin a topic on black youth after-school programs, "Sure, black kids are good at basketball, but they can do so much more..." That's literately the same structure as this OP sentence with a different minority and stereotype swapped in...but it can be said, honestly by a speaker, to mean to be a compliment.
It's actually less offensive. At least it praises a perceived skill whereas saying women are more than eye candy...well, the skill women have there is what...the ability to be leered at? Lusted after?
Again, this is not to doubt your honesty or other commenters about not meaning to be disrespectful and wanting to learn about female musicians, but you wouldn't imagine beginning a job interview you were conducting with, "Have a seat. I've read you resume. You're more just than a hottie, aren't you? Yes you are! Hey, come back...it's a compliment."

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Thank you Robbie Reverb. I think this kind of info will be inspirational and interesting to other members of surf music.
I just remembered I had the Leanne Douglas CD, another musician worth noting.

Thank you Rev Hank, for more interesting and inspirational info.

Jetpack wrote:

Please read our helpful comments in a friendly voice, without emotion attached and rather, just as a break-down of factual points. We should all be friends here united by our common interest. Therefore, if it helps some of you, read this in Spock's or Hal9000's voice.
Tonedawg, you probably and very genuinely mean to be respectful or you wouldn't bother wanting to learn about women surf musicians. But there is a bit to this post (and those that would defend a critique of it) that is akin to Redskins fans telling Native Americans that they shouldn't be offended...
For example: Saying you should have titled it "Respect for the ladies" still wouldn't change a certain...well..."ick" factor that is still there.
Right out of the gate, the first comment on women musicians includes a description of their role, but does say they can be more than that too, to be well meaning. So, the post starts:
Who: Female Musicians
They are: Eye Candy
Also: are more than just Eye Candy
Why would one need to use as a starting point of discussion how physically/sexually attractive a categorized group of people are in terms of bringing up talk of their musical histories and interests/abilities? Now, someone will chime in and say, "He said they're MORE than Eye Candy." That is no compliment. You'll see John didn't mention on the page of his book above if the first-wavers were pretty or the ugliest women ever seen. It's what they did that merits mention.
When a soloist at the Philharmonic takes a bow the conductor doesn't announce, "Miss (Whomever), ladies and gentlemen. Isn't she easy on the eyes? And she sure can play too." The crowd begins to boo. "What? I said she was great!"
It would be equally wrong to begin a topic on black youth after-school programs, "Sure, black kids are good at basketball, but they can do so much more..." That's literately the same structure as this OP sentence with a different minority and stereotype swapped in...but it can be said, honestly by a speaker, to mean to be a compliment.
It's actually less offensive. At least it praises a perceived skill whereas saying women are more than eye candy...well, the skill women have there is what...the ability to be leered at? Lusted after?
Again, this is not to doubt your honesty or other commenters about not meaning to be disrespectful and wanting to learn about female musicians, but you wouldn't imagine beginning a job interview you were conducting with, "Have a seat. I've read you resume. You're more just than a hottie, aren't you? Yes you are! Hey, come back...it's a compliment."

Yes, this.