killbabykill34
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 10:48 AM
If past interviews are to be believed, it is more likely that East Bay Ray influenced surf guitar much more than he took influence from it. He has claimed numerous times that he came into DK with no direct influence from the genre.
da-ron wrote:
I got into surf music by way of surf punk. I was a surf music denier for many years.
I'd say surf punk gave surf music a good old kick up the backside and brought many fans to the party.
The Dead Kennedys were not surf music, but their guitarist East Bay Ray was very influenced by surf music.
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killbabykill34
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 10:51 AM
And if you really want to be disappointed, look up the "surf" album East Bay Ray did under the name "Jumbo Shrimp".
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Syndicateofsurf
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 11:06 AM
We used to play about 12 Ramones songs with our old band The Chickens. I could never do more than 3 or 4 of them in a row without switching to something slower which would be Johnny Cash or maybe Johnny Rivers. Can't imagine doing what we did then as surf. Yeah that whole thing about a singer. Ours was flamboyant and helped to detract from how bad the rest of the band was.
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rottenman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 11:38 AM
killbabykill34 wrote:
If past interviews are to be believed, it is more likely that East Bay Ray influenced surf guitar much more than he took influence from it. He has claimed numerous times that he came into DK with no direct influence from the genre.
Despite being a jerk skater kid in the late 80s/early 90s, I never got deep into punk - mostly because as soon as I heard DK I decided that was all the punk I needed to hear. I still listen to DK regularly and I still don't believe there's not a direct (maybe subconscious?) surf influence there. At the very least I credit DK as an early influence on my own surf fandom.
As far a surf punk goes - I see it as no harm no foul. I don't seek it out, and if I'm being honest, I can be pretty quick to hit skip when a "surf punk" song pops up in a compilation (I'm even quicker with the skip button when someone starts singing though). I have to assume "punk" as a genre has as many nuanced sub-genres and spin-offs as "surf" does. I'm glad surf punk exists as a bridge between the two - I feel the music and music makers are kindred spirits separated only by time shifting social mores.
I always appreciate hearing the surf influence in other genres, even if I can't necessarily appreciate the context*.
Also.. wasn't Jumbo Shrimp just EBR being a jackass about getting asked the surf question too much?
*one day I'll unleash my screed on why Ricky Martin's "Living la Vida Loca" is actually the world's greatest ever pop song, largely thanks to the surf riff in it.
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Meterman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 11:42 AM
To me it seems like evolving is a natural side effect of something still being vibrant and alive. Only dead things don't grown anymore. Look at the Greek language, it has not gotten any new words added lately. All living art form will reflect the times. Think of how visually surfers and their equipment in the 50's look vs. Surfers of the 80's or now. Surf music always had this dark pulse beneath it even when its light. I always felt Punk was about taking what society no longer sees as worthwhile and showing that life can thrives anywhere even in the cracks of the sidewalk.
Honestly to me surf IS punk music just in the context of beach culture.
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killbabykill34
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 12:34 PM
rottenman wrote:
killbabykill34 wrote:
If past interviews are to be believed, it is more likely that East Bay Ray influenced surf guitar much more than he took influence from it. He has claimed numerous times that he came into DK with no direct influence from the genre.
Despite being a jerk skater kid in the late 80s/early 90s, I never got deep into punk - mostly because as soon as I heard DK I decided that was all the punk I needed to hear. I still listen to DK regularly and I still don't believe there's not a direct (maybe subconscious?) surf influence there. At the very least I credit DK as an early influence on my own surf fandom.
As far a surf punk goes - I see it as no harm no foul. I don't seek it out, and if I'm being honest, I can be pretty quick to hit skip when a "surf punk" song pops up in a compilation (I'm even quicker with the skip button when someone starts singing though). I have to assume "punk" as a genre has as many nuanced sub-genres and spin-offs as "surf" does. I'm glad surf punk exists as a bridge between the two - I feel the music and music makers are kindred spirits separated only by time shifting social mores.
I always appreciate hearing the surf influence in other genres, even if I can't necessarily appreciate the context*.
Also.. wasn't Jumbo Shrimp just EBR being a jackass about getting asked the surf question too much?
*one day I'll unleash my screed on why Ricky Martin's "Living la Vida Loca" is actually the world's greatest ever pop song, largely thanks to the surf riff in it.
I still am not ashamed to say publically that I love that surf riff in the Ricky Martin song.
And I have never been able to find any history on the Jumbo Shrimp album.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 12:47 PM
Meterman wrote:
Look at the Greek language, it has not gotten any new words added lately.
Yes it has, it is a language same as English in that new words are added. Just older.
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Syndicateofsurf
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 01:00 PM
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ElMonstroPorFavor
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 01:18 PM
murph wrote:
Both genres of music epitomize the DIY ethic (more commonly associated with punk) at the time of their respective epochs. Basically young men (and to a lesser extent women) with varying levels of proficiency on their instrument, and a desire to express themselves musically. There is also a palpable energy associated with these genres.
This is kinda getting at why I don't think surf and punk are that far apart. Obviously surf predated punk and was built on wholly different ideas, but they were both an act of teenage rebellion, very guitar-focused with adrenaline put before proficiency. Teenagers grab instruments, work out their pent-up testosterone musically. Surf certainly has more focus on melody, but I think if you take the snarl out of the 60's instrumentals, you take away a lot of what made it special. Agent Orange's cover of Misirlou seems much more true to the 60's than, say, The Aqua Velvets to me. And that's not a dig on the Aqua Velvets, this music has grown in a lot of ways since then. If somebody finds a way to enjoy it, then it's good!
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JObeast
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 01:33 PM
Last time I looked, just two days ago, Greek language was still very much alive. I think you mean Latin or Sanskrit as examples of dead languages.
But look what they did with Hebrew. It wasn't even a spoken language 2000 years ago and they made it a vernacular in the present day.
It is possible to breathe new life into a language spoken, sung or played. It just takes passion for expression that demands that particular language, that can't happen in another idiom.
JakeDobner wrote:
Meterman wrote:
Look at the Greek language, it has not gotten any new words added lately.
Yes it has, it is a language same as English in that new words are added. Just older.
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rottenman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 02:09 PM
killbabykill34 wrote:
I still am not ashamed to say publically that I love that surf riff in the Ricky Martin song.
And I have never been able to find any history on the Jumbo Shrimp album.
bummer... I was hoping you'd have some more insight on Jumbo Shrimp. That little bit I heard about it was purely speculative.
Ricky Martin is punk
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killbabykill34
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 02:27 PM
I would love to know more as well. But I have my doubts as to it existing purely as a kiss off to those that constantly ask the question. There was too much effort put into it. But despite all that effort, it really comes across as a piss poor surf album. Even worse, it lacked what people were asking for any way. It wasn't his echoplex heavy DK tone transferred to surf. It was just mediocre surf.
rottenman wrote:
killbabykill34 wrote:
I still am not ashamed to say publically that I love that surf riff in the Ricky Martin song.
And I have never been able to find any history on the Jumbo Shrimp album.
bummer... I was hoping you'd have some more insight on Jumbo Shrimp. That little bit I heard about it was purely speculative.
Ricky Martin is punk
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rottenman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 03:26 PM
How about some black surf metal thrash then?
http://m.noisey.vice.com/blog/joel-grind-davie-allen-surf-rock
Friend of mine just sent me this link. I don't know anything about Joel Grind, but looks like Davie's a fan.
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killbabykill34
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 03:29 PM
I posted about this split last week and it went completely ignored.
The Davey Allen side sounds like...well...Davy Allen.
The Joel Grind sounds like half-hearted, mediocre, generic surf...probably best suited as a generic soundalike track for a commercial or a video game.
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Ariel
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 03:30 PM
Meterman wrote:
I always felt Punk was about taking what society no longer sees as worthwhile and showing that life can thrives anywhere even in the cracks of the sidewalk.
Great point, yes!
Punk is not an aesthetic, or a period in pop culture. I mean of course it is, but like others said before, plenty of examples before 1976 that carry the same message.
Punk is ugliness, a violent expression of misfits who can't play but still have something to say, in a short, impactful way.
It's a blinding peek out to anarchy. Leaves you uncomfortable and shaky.
As I perceive it, so very contrary to surf music, which is at most nice, romantic, arranged, well played and doesn't necessarily go to emotional extremes, rather dig in the nuances.
Fast surf is fast, loud surf is loud. For it to be "punk" surf in my definition, it would need to be real sloppy too.
Of course, that as an attitude and not a style, it can be injected into any genre.
If so, where's the "surf Metal" then?
The difference between punk and metal, is that metalists can play.
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Meterman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 03:48 PM
Woops sorry yes I meant Latin. You must forgive me I got a new baby keeping me up all night! I love that Ricky Martin Riff. Anyone know who played that?
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 04:09 PM
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
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rottenman
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 04:31 PM
eddiekatcher wrote:
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
10 thumbs down and I am all thumbs.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 04:38 PM
FWIW, I always considered our first album to have a punk feel to it. Just chugging away at chords and writing songs on the fly.
I came up with a progression and Eric pretty much improvised over it and we had a song in 15 minutes.
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Posted on Feb 16 2016 06:05 PM
Wish I had more thumbs.............. 
gotE......
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