surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 15 2015 09:44 AM
Alright, I have just one word about this speaker that - apparently - none of us know, except Quilter: INCREDIBLE, AWESOME, IMPRESSIVE.
First of all, whoever says Neo Magnets are not working good, is... mmm.... full of shit (no offence to nobody). I am not talking about technical specs, those are non-relevant facts compared to the practical use of an instrument, unless you test it in a studio with perfect sound and a 2000$ microphone in from of it
So let's get to the item per se.
This thing is 3 times lighter that a JBL. I am not even mentioning the weight of the Commonwealth 15" which is indeed a great speaker, and maybe the BEST upgrade to the vintage JBL D130's of which (this has to be very clear to all of YOU) I am the BIGGEST fan - personally. No comparison to the JBL, it is useless any comparison, but it is useful instead to evaluate the usability of this instrument.
But speaking about usability this speaker is rated for 300W, compared to the 225W of the Commonwealth and the 50W of a JBL. What does this mean? Easy: you don't break it.
I thought the sound would have been quite bright, but at the opposite is dark and rather warm. Not as clear and splendid as a JBL (which I know well as I have 2 originals in my showman cab), but you are free to play with it as much as you want. It is so much powerful that you can really try to keep the showman at 10. And it is still undistorted. It does not suffer. All you feel is that this thing sounds big and reliable. You really have the feeling of a good and solid construction (like ANY Eminence speaker to be honest).
I tried it with:
- double showman 62 (dick dale transformer, 4 ohms, blah blah blah)
- quilter tone block
It is fantastic. I was with my Jazzmaster and my '63 tank. The cabinet I have it installed into is a small 1x15" open-back.
The sound is very close to the JBL, maybe - as I was mentioning - a bit darker, but you can make it brighter pretty easily with a little EQ from the amp, plus I usually use a Shure transmitter which makes the sound a tiny-bit brighter anyway. You raise the volume and you feel the speaker following you in any move. It is sensitive and responds well to any pickup change and reverb adjustment.
With this little one I will avoid on tour to carry my big showman cab - which is the best in the planet, but that sometimes put me in trouble due to his size and weight. I am very very happy and I think that if you don't have or don't want to get a JBL D130 you should have to think about giving this a try. It is expensive. I paid 287 euros. In USA you pay it less money. But - hey - good stuff is ALWAYS expensive.
This is all I have to say for now. Next week I have 4 shows and will carry this with me. Will let you know more.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
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SanchoPansen
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Posted on Apr 15 2015 10:27 AM
Pretty darn nice review. Thanks Lorenzo!
You got the 4ohms version? Found it locally for way less than you payed and it is always a good thing to have a backup on hand in case one of those precious D130Fs blows up.
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CrazyAces
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Posted on Apr 15 2015 10:34 AM
My amp tech was telling me about this speaker over the weekend so I am thankful for your review Lorenzo.
Cheers,
Jeff
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 15 2015 10:41 AM
thanks, well it is my pleasure to give you info. of course this is based on my personal taste as a heavy jbl and volume user. but I am sure it is worth talking about this speaker because it is amazing.
there is only the 4 ohm version.
but my showman comes out at 4 like any double/dual showman
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SanchoPansen
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Posted on Apr 15 2015 10:45 AM
Thanks for clarifying. Well, it's on the shopping list now
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dannylectro
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Orange, CA
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 02:02 PM
Get the Quitler version of this speaker:
http://www.quilterlabs.com/index.php/products/accessories-in-depth/eminence-quilter-custom-15
Sounds closer to a D130F because of the aluminum voice coil (the EPS-15C uses copper which has a warmer sound). This speaker is truly amazing and has replaced my original JBL and Weber NeoMag speakers. It holds up where both the other speakers fail. Just wish it came in an 8 ohm version too.
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 02:47 PM
thanks Man! of course I knew about the quilter version of the speaker but I did not know they sell it separately. I spent already enough money on this now (it is 287 euros in Europe!)
I am loving it anyway. Aluminium dome is definitely interesting although I am more a fan of the normal d130 rather than the F version which is a bit brighter. I like the fat sound!
but I would like to have a comparison between the regular eminence production and the quilter version.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
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dannylectro
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 02:55 PM
surferjoemusic wrote:
but I would like to have a comparison between the regular eminence production and the quilter version.
The difference is that the Quilter has an aluminum voice coil and the EPS-15C uses a copper voice coil which has a warmer sound. If you prefer the less bright sound you got the right speaker.
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 03:00 PM
yes of course. thanks again. this is very interesting to me because I am very surprised about how good it sounds.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
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kick_the_reverb
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 10:40 PM
Interesting. Glad you found something you like, I know this has been bugging you for a while.
The biggest difference I felt testing a neo (not this one specifically) against a JBL in identical cabs (side to side), was the palm muted attack. Having this in an open back kinda makes this harder to test, but if you will have it at SJ I will definitely be interested in hearing it.
Touring is going to be much less of a hassle!
Ran
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 20 2015 11:42 PM
yes ran it will be at the festival for sure.but you might be right on what you say, I have the feeling of a big sound for sure, but in general I am also a fan of the close back cabs.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
(www.surfmusic.net)
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LaFleur
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 12:41 AM
So to clarify:
Lorenzo, your speaker version is without aluminum dome? (Which I would prefer too)
And the difference between the Quilter version and the Eminence version is the VOICE COIL and not the dome?
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LaFleur
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 12:50 AM
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LaFleur
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 12:54 AM
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 01:07 AM
yes yes voice coil sorry. cabinet: i think i will keep the one I have in the end because it's the coolest by far, although of course not an original Fender. that cabinet I have is ok, the mojo cab is better, but to be perfectly honest i have way a lot of basses in the sound... no need for more push and close cab with this speaker. when the showman is at 7 it does all by itself
Sven > just buy it and try it. reverb does not sound good on books... needs action and volume!
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 01:08 AM
Curious I was trying to get info before buying it, but nobody replied on the other thread i am now happy that I have information. and that I am happy with the purchase all in all.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
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Emilien03
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 02:17 AM
Get a roadie Lorenzo ... I'm available and I'm more like an "amp-sitter".
Why do they don`t make 4 ohm & 8 ohm versions? Any thoughts on that?
I mean, if you have the Showman the correct impedance is 8 ohms, so you need 2 speakers in series. So you need to get a cab for 2 speakers.
If you have the Dual Showman the correct impedance is 4 ohms, so you can use just one speaker or a combination of four speakers in parallel/series. So you need a smaller cab or a bigger one.
I'm a bit puzzled with that .. why not just 8 ohms speakers like in the old times?
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SanchoPansen
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 02:29 AM
Emilien03 wrote:
Why do they don`t make 4 ohm & 8 ohm versions? Any thoughts on that?
I mean, if you have the Showman the correct impedance is 8 ohms, so you need 2 speakers in series. So you need to get a cab for 2 speakers.
If you have the Dual Showman the correct impedance is 4 ohms, so you can use just one speaker or a combination of four speakers in parallel/series. So you need a smaller cab or a bigger one.
a) there's only a 4ohms version of the Eminence
b) IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong) the Brownface Showman has 4ohms
/Edit: in any case, hooking up that 4ohms speaker to a 8ohms amp will not cause harm. You simply lose some sound/headroom for the sake of transportability.
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Emilien03
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 02:30 AM
btw ... now I have 2x 12" Weber Cali AlNiCo in the Bandmaster cab you played with, you blew one speaker but it was the old one (Pyle), at that time there was only one Weber in there, now seems pretty stable. My ears love them, my back ... not that much.
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surferjoemusic
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Posted on Apr 21 2015 02:33 AM
HHHHHHaaaaaaaa Emilino you are hired!
well this speaker i don't think has been done to replace old speakers in amps that nobody uses anymore. it is big and powerful. nobody uses anymore 15" speakers for guitar, only us, stupid surf guitar players
so, if you would like to have a total impedance of 8 in a showman cab you should have to use the 16 ohm speakers like in the old times... not 2x 8 in series. so nobody put 2x 15 in a guitar cabinet anymore. an 8 ohm speaker would only be for old tone ring 1x15 cabs...
now, considering this is 300W rated, this is not done for everyday guitar players. you need to know what you are buying, and probably they assume you have a powerful amp, usually coming out at 4 ohm.
just my idea of course. but it would be more useful to have 4 and 16 ohm versions... rather than 8.
anyway, yes i have a "double" showman, 4 ohm, "dick dale" transformer. so it fits perfectly.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
(www.surfmusic.net)
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