ehutch
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Seattle, WA
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 05:38 PM
I've had to set my guitar aside, among other things, since the beginning of the year b/c out of no where i developed some aches/pain in my right thumb (especially when I was picking). So i decided to pick up my bass in the meantime fiquring i could avoid using my thumb. Unfortunately the fingers in my fretting hand gave me the same trouble so I just stopped. I went to see some people one said it was probably over-exertion and should go away in a couple weeks, nope. I also had an arthritis work-up which was negative. It seems to have mellowed out in the past week or so, but stirs up now and again.
Has anyone had any similar trouble? Or still play w/ arthritis? I've been playing virtually everday for 3-4 years so it may very well be improper technique. Anyone else have setbacks from that?
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SurfBandBill
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San Francisco
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 06:11 PM
I get the occasional aches and pains, but usually nothing that I can't play through. Though, admittedly, I have gone for spans of a week or so without playing. Right now I'm nursing a bruised right wrist from where I whapped it on my guitar doing a pull off whack ala Eddie Angel. Apparently the guitar moved and rather than hitting it with the butt of my palm, I knocked it with nothing but wrist bone instead....
~B~
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JetBlue
Joined: May 30, 2006
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Cool, CA
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 06:35 PM
ehutch...any stiffness or swelling associated with this pain?
I had a really strange problem a few years ago with very acute pain in two fingers on each hand. There was a lot of swelling involved and it got to the point where I couldn't bend those fingers at all. The episode lasted about two years, long enough for me to sell all my gear in total frustration.
There are over 100 identified different types of arthritis that fall into three groups: rheumatoid, osteo.., and psoriatic. They ruled out the first two for me and declared mine to be psoriatic. I took (and sometimes still take) an anti-inflammatory (can't remember the name right now). Anyway, it gradually went away and now only aches mildly on occasion. I'm back to playing again.
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badash
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 06:38 PM
Well, first off switch to green tea from coffee (You're in seattle, I'm assuming ). Watch your salt, beef, rich food... Up your fish oil intake, make sure it's molecularly distilled if you don't like PCBs.
Seriously, inflamation, which is the usual cause of joint pain, isn't always visible, but it is often fixable with some minor diet changes. If you really want to do a serious detox, get one of the Pericone diet books from the library, do it for 2 weeks and see if that helps. I've been down this road. I have to limit cheese, even though I'm in no way lactose intolerant, to keep my shoulder in line. when it's bad I can't play.
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ehutch
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 44
Seattle, WA
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 07:35 PM
Thanks for the help here, and despite living in seattle i'm not a coffee fan... Color me crazy. I dont actually have any swelling. Since this started, my joints in my hands have been popping, just like if you crack your knuckles. It's not painful by any means, just feels a little stiff before it happens.
I'll look more into the diet changes and see what the concensous is. That's wild about the cheese. Hopefully i won't have to sell off my gear, it may get a little dusty though.
In the meantime Bill I think you should stick to the dog paddle or his pointer gun behind the head trick.
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TvD
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Toronto
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Posted on Apr 23 2007 11:00 PM
ehutch
I'll look more into the diet changes and see what the concensous is. That's wild about the cheese. Hopefully i won't have to sell off my gear, it may get a little dusty though.
There are other forms of joint pain other than arthritis. Any pain around the elbows or forearms? Tendonitis can easily lead to cramping which would cause hand pain and stiffness.
A couple of years ago I fell down some icy stairs and landed on my elbows. It caused some inflamtion that caused hand cramps so bad that I couldn't hold onto a pick for a couple of months.
If I were you, I'd get it looked at again just to be sure. It's probably something that will heal itself if you give it enough rest (e.g. not playing bass either ;) ) Much better a couple of weeks off than a couple of years.
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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netherlands
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 03:41 AM
poppoing joints, no swelling, thumb problems ... that just screams RSI to me.
eitherway, finger pain? as much as I think t's a good idea to discuss it here adn dont want to bring this thread to a grinding halt, in the end you should really not get the advice of a bunch of surfcrazy internet loonies, but of a physician 
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dan
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southern ontario
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 04:19 PM
Soaking the afflicted area in ice water will help.
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WaimeaBay
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 04:40 PM
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D22
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 05:02 PM
Try popping your joints by a delicate twist to them. I've had a sharp, shooting pain sometimes and it seems that's a slight dislocation that needs to be "located". A few gently "turns" and it's presto! Back to normal. GLuck.
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WR
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netherlands
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 05:18 PM
I dont know about dislocation, that might happen too, but commonly, popping joints comes from tendons being overstressed/irritated, hence a tad swollen and they pop inside the shaft on edges and stuff.
at least that's how my physician explained it. Ive had fysiotherapy for 6 months now and it makes a difference. Im telling you, without saying the advice above is bad (it's probably all good and i'll actually follow some of it myself), if it's reoccuring trouble, go to a doctor.
PS, DGG, is that in your fingers or somewhere else? just curious.
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D22
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 05:30 PM
Yeah, it's in the fretting hand. It kills like a mother and doesn't let you apply grip strength UNTIL you twist and cracks/pops. I know it's bizarre but it works.
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WR
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netherlands
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 05:35 PM
DGG
Yeah, it's in the fretting hand. It kills like a mother and doesn't let you apply grip strength UNTIL you twist and cracks/pops. I know it's bizarre but it works.
allright, never heard of that. well, just goes to show, every body is different, we were all custom built 
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D22
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Posted on Apr 24 2007 06:09 PM
WR
.. just goes to show, every body is different, we were all custom built
well said.. 
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ehutch
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Seattle, WA
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Posted on Apr 27 2007 01:58 PM
Thanks for all the helpful advice, true the internet is not the best place for a diagnosis, but I thought i'd throw out the Q for some ideas I did get a referral for a therapist so I'll see how that goes, but now that my guitar is forbidden fruit for the meantime it's calling my name twice as much. hopefully i won't have to do the twist and pop, that just sounds bad. Maybe with all my new free time I'll work on that not getting any older business.
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kick_the_reverb
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 1338
Escondido, CA
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Posted on Apr 27 2007 10:17 PM
Since I started playing with my current band, I have been getting serious pains at the base of my thumb, to the point that I can't grip the pick, let alone strum. It gets more severe when I don't practice enough and then play a gig. Dusty suggested I squeeze a rubber racket ball as exercise. I haven't gone to the doctor about it, I feel that more practice (not the point of serever pain, of course) over time might help it. I have also seen Steve Soest of the Torquays exhibit similar signs during a gig.
Hope it works out,
Ran
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surfer
Joined: Apr 12, 2007
Posts: 428
South Florida
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Posted on May 09 2007 12:55 PM
Just so happens, I had fluid removed from my index finger yesterday, hopefully it will give me back full use. The official medical explanation "s*** happens" when you get older. I also get muscle cramping after about the third set of the night. My doctor suggested quinine, you can't buy it, but it comes in tonic water. I drink about a liter a week and it works real well.
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 09 2007 01:06 PM
kickthe_reverb_
Since I started playing with my current band, I have been getting serious pains at the base of my thumb, to the point that I can't grip the pick, let alone strum. It gets more severe when I don't practice enough and then play a gig. Dusty suggested I squeeze a rubber racket ball as exercise. I haven't gone to the doctor about it, I feel that more practice (not the point of serever pain, of course) over time might help it. I have also seen Steve Soest of the Torquays exhibit similar signs during a gig.
Hope it works out,
Ran
Ran:
besides the "rubber-ball" exercise, you might check your posture...
particularly your elbow on the side of your fretting hand...stand straight, shoulders back, elbow slightly raised away from your torso... this should allow your wrist to straighten a bit more and should decrease tension on that thumb joint. good playing posture also helps allieviate shoulder and upper back tension or pain.
for your picking hand, you might want to check your guitar position, and see if adjusting where your guitar hangs helps. check your elbow position in the mirror, too close to the torso can cause problems...
it may feel awkward at first, but give it a try...it might help.
-dp
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dp
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 09 2007 01:07 PM
surfer
Just so happens, I had fluid removed from my index finger yesterday, hopefully it will give me back full use. The official medical explanation "s*** happens" when you get older. I also get muscle cramping after about the third set of the night. My doctor suggested quinine, you can't buy it, but it comes in tonic water. I drink about a liter a week and it works real well.
i like tonic water/quinine for cramps too...especially in the summer time...
-dp
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diceophonic
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PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on May 09 2007 01:23 PM
Yall should take ibuprofen, Advil, Motrin you seen the TV ads the one with the bass player and the one with the guy that plays acoustic guitar all with joint and pain issues but once they take the above they were back to playing 
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