Anyone try Fender's new Jaguars, 60's Road Worn or Laquer

Mark2Bra

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:53 AM

Or you can learn how to setup a Jag/jm bridge. It is way simpler than to learn how to set up a strat tremolo ^^

Well, since the thread gone a bit off topic anyway - is it really the general case? OR do offsets require more precise set-up than strats?

Cheers,
Mark.

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 01:14 AM

No, that isn't the case. The Jag/JM bridge, which is fantastic once set up correctly, takes a lot of practice to get set up correctly. Getting a Jag/JM set up correctly involves neck shims. There are a lot of places the Jag/JM can go wrong, and these need to be in the right spot for a great set up. I play a lot of Jags/JMs and almost always the behind the bridge set up is atrocious. The character of these guitars is really compromised if the guitar doesn't allow those overtones. And then there is the more simple 'strings hitting the front or back of the bridge, height screws being perfectly level, radius, etc...

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BillAqua

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 08:14 AM

Jake is right. There were all sorts of little tricks I used to do to keep my stock Jaguar bridges from rattling, saddles shaking loose, etc...

I have not owned a '65 RI Jag. But I've had 2 '65 RI Jazzmasters those problems are non-existant. I think Fender is ramping the neck pockets on the '65 RIs which cures about 99 percent of any issues I have with the stock bridges.

Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer?
Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI...

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Badger

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 09:35 AM

BillAqua wrote:

Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer?
Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI...

That's alot of $him material for the difference.

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Frelonvert

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 11:02 AM

BillAqua wrote:

Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer?
Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI...

I don't know for the 60s lacquer, but the classic players had an angled neck pocket.

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Frelonvert

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:48 PM

Las_Barracudas wrote:

Maybe, I've never owned a Jaguar or Jazzmaster so...? I suppose I could buy one and fiddle with it in hopes of making it usable / gigable, but I'm pretty sure I can rely on what I consider to be solid advice from the many pros that frequent this site and others that have detailed the many Jag & JM bridge short comings.

Oleg Gitaracula (Messer Chups) is playing a Jazzmaster with original Bridge, The Bambi Molesters too, SG101 guitar instructor Alex Faide used to play a jag with stock bridge also. So I am preatty sure that you can make it usable/gigable.

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:58 PM

I used original bridges for 12 years myself. The vintage bridges are solid. AVRIs had issues without loctite as the chroming process made the tolerances really inconsistent. The Squier ones are really bad. It appears the AV'65 have fixed the AVRI issues.

If you gig/practice regularly/own a fleet then I suggest a Mastery. If not, you probably don't need the assurances they provide. It isn't about tone, it is about having to spend less time on preventative maintenance.

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WetWildWest

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Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:33 AM

The neck shim + high bridge method applies to light string gauge setups and in my experience cut the balls right off the guitar. If you play .012's (JM) or .013's (Jag) and up in standard tuning you should be able to set up the guitar the "normal" way.

My Classic 60's Laquer and Squier VM do not have an angled pocket. Stock bridges. A little loctite. If you play like a butcher, you might want to file the slots on the saddles (a little goes a long way) where the strings skip.

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JakeDobner

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Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:53 AM

High bridges don't work, the strings will contact the back of the bridge.

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Frelonvert

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Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:30 PM

Very short review on offsetguitars.com.

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Mark2Bra Joined: Sep 01, 2013 Posts: 248	Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:53 AM Or you can learn how to setup a Jag/jm bridge. It is way simpler than to learn how to set up a strat tremolo ^^ Well, since the thread gone a bit off topic anyway - is it really the general case? OR do offsets require more precise set-up than strats? Cheers, Mark. Last edited: Dec 13, 2015 02:34:20 Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 13 2015 01:14 AM No, that isn't the case. The Jag/JM bridge, which is fantastic once set up correctly, takes a lot of practice to get set up correctly. Getting a Jag/JM set up correctly involves neck shims. There are a lot of places the Jag/JM can go wrong, and these need to be in the right spot for a great set up. I play a lot of Jags/JMs and almost always the behind the bridge set up is atrocious. The character of these guitars is really compromised if the guitar doesn't allow those overtones. And then there is the more simple 'strings hitting the front or back of the bridge, height screws being perfectly level, radius, etc... Top
BillAqua Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1054 Chicago IL.	Posted on Dec 13 2015 08:14 AM Jake is right. There were all sorts of little tricks I used to do to keep my stock Jaguar bridges from rattling, saddles shaking loose, etc... I have not owned a '65 RI Jag. But I've had 2 '65 RI Jazzmasters those problems are non-existant. I think Fender is ramping the neck pockets on the '65 RIs which cures about 99 percent of any issues I have with the stock bridges. Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer? Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI... — "as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there" https://www.facebook.com/reluctantaquanauts/ https://www.facebook.com/TheDragstripVipers/ Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Dec 13 2015 09:35 AM BillAqua wrote: Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer? Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI... That's alot of $him material for the difference. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
Frelonvert Joined: Sep 21, 2009 Posts: 275 Toulouse	Posted on Dec 13 2015 11:02 AM BillAqua wrote: Another question: Is fender ramping the neck pockets on the 60s Laquer? Maybe I should just go straight for the '65 RI... I don't know for the 60s lacquer, but the classic players had an angled neck pocket. — http://noskons.bandcamp.com/ Top
Frelonvert Joined: Sep 21, 2009 Posts: 275 Toulouse	Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:48 PM Las_Barracudas wrote: Maybe, I've never owned a Jaguar or Jazzmaster so...? I suppose I could buy one and fiddle with it in hopes of making it usable / gigable, but I'm pretty sure I can rely on what I consider to be solid advice from the many pros that frequent this site and others that have detailed the many Jag & JM bridge short comings. Oleg Gitaracula (Messer Chups) is playing a Jazzmaster with original Bridge, The Bambi Molesters too, SG101 guitar instructor Alex Faide used to play a jag with stock bridge also. So I am preatty sure that you can make it usable/gigable. — http://noskons.bandcamp.com/ Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 13 2015 12:58 PM I used original bridges for 12 years myself. The vintage bridges are solid. AVRIs had issues without loctite as the chroming process made the tolerances really inconsistent. The Squier ones are really bad. It appears the AV'65 have fixed the AVRI issues. If you gig/practice regularly/own a fleet then I suggest a Mastery. If not, you probably don't need the assurances they provide. It isn't about tone, it is about having to spend less time on preventative maintenance. Top
WetWildWest Joined: Dec 12, 2014 Posts: 23	Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:33 AM The neck shim + high bridge method applies to light string gauge setups and in my experience cut the balls right off the guitar. If you play .012's (JM) or .013's (Jag) and up in standard tuning you should be able to set up the guitar the "normal" way. My Classic 60's Laquer and Squier VM do not have an angled pocket. Stock bridges. A little loctite. If you play like a butcher, you might want to file the slots on the saddles (a little goes a long way) where the strings skip. — www.soundcloud.com/konbuexpress www.facebook.com/konbuexpress Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:53 AM High bridges don't work, the strings will contact the back of the bridge. Top
Frelonvert Joined: Sep 21, 2009 Posts: 275 Toulouse	Posted on Dec 14 2015 08:30 PM Very short review on offsetguitars.com. — http://noskons.bandcamp.com/ Top

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