WTB/WTT 12" 125W 8 ohm speaker like JBL, EVM, Black Widow

JObeast

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Posted on Jan 27 2015 03:05 PM

I want a driver adequate to my Music Man 112 Sixty-Five, which was designed for an AlNiCo rated at 120 watts.
I'd rather buy from one of you guys than a stranger on ebay; keep it in-house. You guys also know about what sounds good with reverb.

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JObeast

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Posted on Feb 04 2015 10:41 PM

Still in the market. ebay is no fun.

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da-ron

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Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:27 AM

I saw some good reviews on using Western Guitar speakers in Fenders:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WGS-G12C-S-Guitar-Speaker-12-inch-75-watts-8-Ohm-0367-/191325058382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c8bdcb54e

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da-ron

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Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:34 AM

Apologies: It's a Warehouse G12. Found the link:
http://fenderguru.com/how-to-select-speakers

Good luck with eBay. It was getting tough to get bargains on there - now it gets tough to just buy anything!

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Badger

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Posted on Feb 05 2015 04:38 PM

Disregard because I had zero situational awareness & didn't read the full thread title.

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Badger

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Posted on Feb 05 2015 04:41 PM

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/msg/4876082252.html

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JObeast

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Posted on Feb 06 2015 01:29 PM

Thanks for the tips, all. Still searching. There is an Altec 417 for sale north of Chicago for $175. I almost bought an EV EVM12L for $150 but missed my appointment due to car crash traffic. Bummer.
Yes, I'm still looking for a deal, which will take time to appear. I was spoiled by my SoCal purchase of the Altec 12+15 array for only $250. Still hoping to keep the cost at $150 or less.

What do folks think of the Eminence Swamp Thang? do they sound good in openback combos?

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Badger

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Posted on Feb 06 2015 02:57 PM

JObeast wrote:

What do folks think of the Eminence Swamp Thang? do they sound good in openback combos?

Probably the most objective assessment I've read came from Bill Machrone, who uses one as his reference speaker on his test bench:

"There’s nothing swampy about the Swamp Thang–this is the loudest, cleanest speaker in Eminence’s lineup, but its response is tilted towards the bass side. Eminence calls the treble response moderate, but I find its highs more prominent than the Texas Heat’s. It produces big, round lows, even in the BJr’s small cabinet. The magnet is huge and it will add noticeable weight to your BJr. It might hit an aftermarket, larger output transformer like the Heyboer I use. You can probably spin the baffle 180 degrees to place it at the lower right instead of upper left (from the back) for clearance. I use the Swamp Thang on my test bench because it’s so clean (I want to hear the amp, not the speaker) and the moderate highs keep the ice pick tones out of my ears. The Swamp Thang is not a truly neutral speaker; it adds a warm, woodwind-like undertone."

Good luck with the search; there've got to be some desperate people in the metro-hive that will part with a nugget to you for the right price. Only took me 2,632 CL listings to find that EVM-12L (although I guess he's over your budget). Maybe see how long it sits...

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JObeast

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Posted on Feb 07 2015 09:45 AM

BAdger,
Thanks for the info above. I blew it when I missed that appointment to buy an EVM12L but traffic and lack of cell phone scotched that good deal.
The Swamp Thing sounds like a good gambit: low price and availability in addition to design objective of clarity. I may just opt for it very soon unless someone has something totally awesome to sell cheap.

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Bob_Kennedy

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Posted on Feb 07 2015 10:32 AM

Have you looked at the Eminence Commonwealth? It's very JBL-like. It looks like an E120. They sound great.

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JObeast

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Posted on Feb 07 2015 11:25 AM

Bob, et.al.
I just looked closely into the back of the MM 112 Sixty-Five and notice that magnet of the extant Celestion G12T-75 barely clears the OT - there is like a 1/4" gap there. So THIS space issue severely narrows my choice in replacements. Probably the original driver was a CTS AlNiCo with a large SQUARE magnet - the amp needs a driver that will handle 120w but the placement of the OT smack dab in the middle of the chassis necessitates a square magnet for clearance. So back to a much narrower field of choices, which is essentially AlNiCo and Neodymium, simply because ceramic magnets are too big around.

Complicating this is the fact speaker mfr specs do not typically include the outside diam. of the magnet assembly.

So does anyone have a suggestion for something like the original?

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Badger

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Posted on Feb 07 2015 12:12 PM

That is sad news (but maybe good).
The 112 Sixty-Five being earlier and DIFFERENT than the 112-65. A little piece of history from a MM website:

"Most early Music Man amps had speaker made by Eminence, typically models with square alnico magnets."

So you're brain pan is working OK.

But they were made by Eminence; perhaps a call to them would yield some idea of a course of action?

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JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Jan 27 2015 03:05 PM I want a driver adequate to my Music Man 112 Sixty-Five, which was designed for an AlNiCo rated at 120 watts. I'd rather buy from one of you guys than a stranger on ebay; keep it in-house. You guys also know about what sounds good with reverb. — Squink Out! Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 04 2015 10:41 PM Still in the market. ebay is no fun. — Squink Out! Top
da-ron Joined: Jan 02, 2009 Posts: 1307 The original Plymouth, UK.	Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:27 AM I saw some good reviews on using Western Guitar speakers in Fenders: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WGS-G12C-S-Guitar-Speaker-12-inch-75-watts-8-Ohm-0367-/191325058382?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c8bdcb54e — http://thewaterboarders.bandcamp.com/ Top
da-ron Joined: Jan 02, 2009 Posts: 1307 The original Plymouth, UK.	Posted on Feb 05 2015 02:34 AM Apologies: It's a Warehouse G12. Found the link: http://fenderguru.com/how-to-select-speakers Good luck with eBay. It was getting tough to get bargains on there - now it gets tough to just buy anything! — http://thewaterboarders.bandcamp.com/ Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Feb 05 2015 04:38 PM Disregard because I had zero situational awareness & didn't read the full thread title. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Last edited: Feb 05, 2015 16:39:34 Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Feb 05 2015 04:41 PM http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/msg/4876082252.html — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 06 2015 01:29 PM Thanks for the tips, all. Still searching. There is an Altec 417 for sale north of Chicago for $175. I almost bought an EV EVM12L for $150 but missed my appointment due to car crash traffic. Bummer. Yes, I'm still looking for a deal, which will take time to appear. I was spoiled by my SoCal purchase of the Altec 12+15 array for only $250. Still hoping to keep the cost at $150 or less. What do folks think of the Eminence Swamp Thang? do they sound good in openback combos? — Squink Out! Last edited: Feb 06, 2015 13:55:16 Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Feb 06 2015 02:57 PM JObeast wrote: What do folks think of the Eminence Swamp Thang? do they sound good in openback combos? Probably the most objective assessment I've read came from Bill Machrone, who uses one as his reference speaker on his test bench: "There’s nothing swampy about the Swamp Thang–this is the loudest, cleanest speaker in Eminence’s lineup, but its response is tilted towards the bass side. Eminence calls the treble response moderate, but I find its highs more prominent than the Texas Heat’s. It produces big, round lows, even in the BJr’s small cabinet. The magnet is huge and it will add noticeable weight to your BJr. It might hit an aftermarket, larger output transformer like the Heyboer I use. You can probably spin the baffle 180 degrees to place it at the lower right instead of upper left (from the back) for clearance. I use the Swamp Thang on my test bench because it’s so clean (I want to hear the amp, not the speaker) and the moderate highs keep the ice pick tones out of my ears. The Swamp Thang is not a truly neutral speaker; it adds a warm, woodwind-like undertone." Good luck with the search; there've got to be some desperate people in the metro-hive that will part with a nugget to you for the right price. Only took me 2,632 CL listings to find that EVM-12L (although I guess he's over your budget). Maybe see how long it sits... — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 07 2015 09:45 AM BAdger, Thanks for the info above. I blew it when I missed that appointment to buy an EVM12L but traffic and lack of cell phone scotched that good deal. The Swamp Thing sounds like a good gambit: low price and availability in addition to design objective of clarity. I may just opt for it very soon unless someone has something totally awesome to sell cheap. — Squink Out! Top
Bob_Kennedy Joined: Feb 27, 2012 Posts: 316 Mesa, AZ.	Posted on Feb 07 2015 10:32 AM Have you looked at the Eminence Commonwealth? It's very JBL-like. It looks like an E120. They sound great. — Otto & The Ottomans Kennedy Custom Guitars Top
JObeast Joined: Jul 24, 2012 Posts: 2762 Finknabad, Squinkistan	Posted on Feb 07 2015 11:25 AM Bob, et.al. I just looked closely into the back of the MM 112 Sixty-Five and notice that magnet of the extant Celestion G12T-75 barely clears the OT - there is like a 1/4" gap there. So THIS space issue severely narrows my choice in replacements. Probably the original driver was a CTS AlNiCo with a large SQUARE magnet - the amp needs a driver that will handle 120w but the placement of the OT smack dab in the middle of the chassis necessitates a square magnet for clearance. So back to a much narrower field of choices, which is essentially AlNiCo and Neodymium, simply because ceramic magnets are too big around. Complicating this is the fact speaker mfr specs do not typically include the outside diam. of the magnet assembly. So does anyone have a suggestion for something like the original? — Squink Out! Last edited: Feb 07, 2015 11:26:40 Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Feb 07 2015 12:12 PM That is sad news (but maybe good). The 112 Sixty-Five being earlier and DIFFERENT than the 112-65. A little piece of history from a MM website: "Most early Music Man amps had speaker made by Eminence, typically models with square alnico magnets." So you're brain pan is working OK. But they were made by Eminence; perhaps a call to them would yield some idea of a course of action? — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top

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