Delay setup for 60s instrumental music?

mrpicker

Joined: Mar 09, 2014
Posts: 4

Posted on Mar 09 2014 01:44 PM

Hi

Can anyone tell me how I should set up the delay parameters to get that big,
sustain-sound of the 60's instrumentals groups: The Shadows, The Ventures, The Spotnicks?

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Coach

Joined: Feb 12, 2014
Posts: 28
Oak Park, IL
United States

Posted on Mar 09 2014 02:38 PM

I saw an interview with Hank Marvin where he talked about using two delays daisy chained together to get that shimmering sound of his.

Hah, found it on-line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhm3w45-o3I&feature=related

You might also get some mileage out of this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJKvI4kP0bQ

Enjoy,
Harry

Last edited: Mar 09, 2014 14:41:47

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CrazyAces

Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4054
Buffalo, N.Y.
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Posted on Mar 09 2014 04:13 PM

It helps to have a delay that has some multi-tap options like a TC Electronics Nova Delay Or Repeater or similar to get the Hank Marvin thing.
It's essentially a short and a longer delay together and these units have a switch that allows you to pick eighth notes or triplets
For ordinary sixties Instro stuff or solos a little short slap back can work great. One quick, short repeat for echo,almost immediately after you pick the note, low feedback or repeats and adjust the volume or output of the echo to taste.
Hope that helps some.

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Badger

Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4537
Wisconsin
United States

Posted on Mar 09 2014 06:21 PM

CrazyAces wrote:

For ordinary sixties Instro stuff or solos a little short slap back can work great. One quick, short repeat for echo,almost immediately after you pick the note, low feedback or repeats and adjust the volume or output of the echo to taste.

That's a superb description for a basic "at the hop/school-dance at the gym" type of thing. I have an old analog delay pedal that I refuse to part with, setup just like that, and that's all it does. But that little bit of slap does a whole lot more than the sum of its parts.

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Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

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SanchoPansen

Joined: Jan 04, 2011
Posts: 1588
Berlin L-Berg
Germany

Posted on Oct 01 2014 03:14 PM

The Zoom 508 Delay is a nice unit to recreate the Shadows echoes. There are a couple of pages providing the settings for this delay, eg:

Click
and
Click

Hope that helps. I own a 508 and I can confirm that these settings are spot on for that typical Shadows delay sound.

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The Hicadoolas

Last edited: Oct 01, 2014 15:14:34

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Snufkino

Joined: Nov 03, 2009
Posts: 228
United Kingdom

Posted on Oct 01 2014 06:11 PM

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JakeDobner

Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Oct 01 2014 07:04 PM

The Strymon Deco is going to be... very special.

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ErnestHernandez

Joined: Jun 16, 2008
Posts: 597
The Alamo City, TX
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Posted on Oct 02 2014 12:20 AM

I think this pedal does a good job of adding a short delay or slap back echo to a nicely reverberated sound.

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https://kingpelican.bandcamp.com/

Last edited: Oct 02, 2014 00:22:42

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Badger

Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4537
Wisconsin
United States

Posted on Oct 02 2014 06:32 AM

Thanks Jake for the Strymon link; interesting.

Being a non-gigging budget operation I played with a little Behringer echo unit (direct Echopark clone); their QC seems to be pretty good & maybe their satellite operation at the China build location helped. It's got some decent multi-tap options that can help approximate Shadows stuff, although nothing like a Zoom. (Download the Line 6 Echo Park manual, the Behringer's is in Chinglish and not as readable grammatically. Both require experimentation.) The one thing I wish all units had that my old Analog delay has is a front-panel switch to simply select whether the 2nd output is dry/direct or also blends the signal.

But a good traditional slap-back from the delay or some short echo that yields triplets, with a tap-tempo capability is pretty cool and fills things out nicely.

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Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel

DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices.

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ludobag

Joined: Jun 05, 2010
Posts: 620
at south of
France

Posted on Oct 02 2014 11:43 AM

i have a headruch with the echo mode sound really cool for this application
you can change the repetition to have a lost of high like old tape echo

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maximumsurfandroll

Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 182
Edinburgh, Scotland
United Kingdom

Posted on Oct 02 2014 01:26 PM

Hey Ernest, how is the Ghost Echo overall? I was watching some demos the other day and it had a nice sparkly quality to it.

If you're looking for a budget slapback echo, the Danelectro Fab Echo is pretty cheap and sounds excellent. Good if you have a higher end delay that you can couple it with and you'll be Apache'ing in no time.

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PrestonRice

Joined: Oct 05, 2012
Posts: 1725
Austin, Texas
United States

Posted on Oct 02 2014 01:26 PM

JakeDobner wrote:

The Strymon Deco is going to be... very special.

Nice! That overdrive sounds cool, and I really kind of like that chorus. ot cheesy like most.

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SURFmole

Joined: Nov 22, 2007
Posts: 901
Portland, OR
United States

Posted on Oct 20 2014 08:10 PM

I have the Catalinbread Echorec. I'm not sure that I'm sold on it, as it's VERY difficult to dial in a consistent setting. The selector knob doesn't have detents and there are multiple settings on the pedal.

It sounds good, but if you can't easily dial in the sound you want, it's kind of pointless.

FWIW, I prefer delay over reverb (did I just say that?) but it's easier to get a great reverb sound than a useable delay.

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mrpicker Joined: Mar 09, 2014 Posts: 4	Posted on Mar 09 2014 01:44 PM Hi Can anyone tell me how I should set up the delay parameters to get that big, sustain-sound of the 60's instrumentals groups: The Shadows, The Ventures, The Spotnicks? Top
Coach Joined: Feb 12, 2014 Posts: 28 Oak Park, IL	Posted on Mar 09 2014 02:38 PM I saw an interview with Hank Marvin where he talked about using two delays daisy chained together to get that shimmering sound of his. Hah, found it on-line http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zhm3w45-o3I&feature=related You might also get some mileage out of this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJKvI4kP0bQ Enjoy, Harry Last edited: Mar 09, 2014 14:41:47 Top
CrazyAces Joined: Jul 31, 2012 Posts: 4054 Buffalo, N.Y.	Posted on Mar 09 2014 04:13 PM It helps to have a delay that has some multi-tap options like a TC Electronics Nova Delay Or Repeater or similar to get the Hank Marvin thing. It's essentially a short and a longer delay together and these units have a switch that allows you to pick eighth notes or triplets For ordinary sixties Instro stuff or solos a little short slap back can work great. One quick, short repeat for echo,almost immediately after you pick the note, low feedback or repeats and adjust the volume or output of the echo to taste. Hope that helps some. — http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic http://www.youtube.com/user/crazyacesrock http://www.reverbnation.com/crazyacesmusic Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Mar 09 2014 06:21 PM CrazyAces wrote: For ordinary sixties Instro stuff or solos a little short slap back can work great. One quick, short repeat for echo,almost immediately after you pick the note, low feedback or repeats and adjust the volume or output of the echo to taste. That's a superb description for a basic "at the hop/school-dance at the gym" type of thing. I have an old analog delay pedal that I refuse to part with, setup just like that, and that's all it does. But that little bit of slap does a whole lot more than the sum of its parts. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
SanchoPansen Joined: Jan 04, 2011 Posts: 1588 Berlin L-Berg	Posted on Oct 01 2014 03:14 PM The Zoom 508 Delay is a nice unit to recreate the Shadows echoes. There are a couple of pages providing the settings for this delay, eg: Click and Click Hope that helps. I own a 508 and I can confirm that these settings are spot on for that typical Shadows delay sound. — The Hicadoolas Last edited: Oct 01, 2014 15:14:34 Top
Snufkino Joined: Nov 03, 2009 Posts: 228	Posted on Oct 01 2014 06:11 PM Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Oct 01 2014 07:04 PM The Strymon Deco is going to be... very special. Top
ErnestHernandez Joined: Jun 16, 2008 Posts: 597 The Alamo City, TX	Posted on Oct 02 2014 12:20 AM I think this pedal does a good job of adding a short delay or slap back echo to a nicely reverberated sound. — https://kingpelican.bandcamp.com/ Last edited: Oct 02, 2014 00:22:42 Top
Badger Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 4537 Wisconsin	Posted on Oct 02 2014 06:32 AM Thanks Jake for the Strymon link; interesting. Being a non-gigging budget operation I played with a little Behringer echo unit (direct Echopark clone); their QC seems to be pretty good & maybe their satellite operation at the China build location helped. It's got some decent multi-tap options that can help approximate Shadows stuff, although nothing like a Zoom. (Download the Line 6 Echo Park manual, the Behringer's is in Chinglish and not as readable grammatically. Both require experimentation.) The one thing I wish all units had that my old Analog delay has is a front-panel switch to simply select whether the 2nd output is dry/direct or also blends the signal. But a good traditional slap-back from the delay or some short echo that yields triplets, with a tap-tempo capability is pretty cool and fills things out nicely. — Wes SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel DISCLAIMER: The above is opinion/suggestion only & should not be used for mission planning/navigation, tweaking of instruments, beverage selection, or wardrobe choices. Top
ludobag Joined: Jun 05, 2010 Posts: 620 at south of	Posted on Oct 02 2014 11:43 AM i have a headruch with the echo mode sound really cool for this application you can change the repetition to have a lost of high like old tape echo Top
maximumsurfandroll Joined: Nov 16, 2013 Posts: 182 Edinburgh, Scotland	Posted on Oct 02 2014 01:26 PM Hey Ernest, how is the Ghost Echo overall? I was watching some demos the other day and it had a nice sparkly quality to it. If you're looking for a budget slapback echo, the Danelectro Fab Echo is pretty cheap and sounds excellent. Good if you have a higher end delay that you can couple it with and you'll be Apache'ing in no time. Top
PrestonRice Joined: Oct 05, 2012 Posts: 1725 Austin, Texas	Posted on Oct 02 2014 01:26 PM JakeDobner wrote: The Strymon Deco is going to be... very special. Nice! That overdrive sounds cool, and I really kind of like that chorus. ot cheesy like most. — IMO. Top
SURFmole Joined: Nov 22, 2007 Posts: 901 Portland, OR	Posted on Oct 20 2014 08:10 PM I have the Catalinbread Echorec. I'm not sure that I'm sold on it, as it's VERY difficult to dial in a consistent setting. The selector knob doesn't have detents and there are multiple settings on the pedal. It sounds good, but if you can't easily dial in the sound you want, it's kind of pointless. FWIW, I prefer delay over reverb (did I just say that?) but it's easier to get a great reverb sound than a useable delay. — www.apollo4.com Top

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