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Permalink Yamaha THR series - can anyone recommend?

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Aye the v.2 firmware is really interesting. I know it's super new but there's not a whole lot of info out there so far, just what Yamaha are talking about.

The good thing is it's a firmware update to the existing models and not a brand new v.2 unit, i.e. if it was a new one you know it'd come with a price hike heh.

andrew00 wrote:

Aye the v.2 firmware is really interesting. I know it's super new but there's not a whole lot of info out there so far, just what Yamaha are talking about.

The good thing is it's a firmware update to the existing models and not a brand new v.2 unit, i.e. if it was a new one you know it'd come with a price hike heh.

Full credit to Yamaha for listening to their existing customers and reacting to some of their criticisms. I would hazard a guess that new stock from here on will be marked v.2 on the packing box. I know they do stuff like this because the first THR10s had poor quality power adapters and Andertons checked the box code label to see if had the upgraded adapter.

Well! v.2 is wonderful and I'm grinning from ear to ear. The clean channel sounds like a Fender and the gain is far more attractive, gone is the crisp wrapper crunch, it reacts to sweet-spot finding much more like a true valve amp. Deeper sounding throughout I'd say. I no longer have to use the bass channel and I'm no longer interested in the THR10C!

Managed to get to play with the 5 and 10C today and left the shop with the 5!

I liked both but the 5 is smaller, lighter and cheaper and sounded every bit as good to me. Plus the v.2 'upgrade', whatever it actually is, suggests a product even better than the shop version so it swung it.

Actually the guy in the shop said the clean channel on the 5 v.2 is actually now the clean on the 10C, not sure if that's true but if so it just adds to it so that's cool!

Just back from a nice shopping day in Guildford Surrey, first stop Andertons music shop where I managed to share a soundproof booth with a THR10C and an American Standard Stratocaster. It didn't take long to evaluate the C version because it sounded and reacted very much like my own THR10 with the latest Firmware v.2. For me to understand the differences in full I'd need to know my own amp a little better, so for the moment I'd say the differences are reasonably subtle. Deluxe mode sounded much like Clean on the THR10v.2, Class-A, US Blues and Brit Blues all gave beautifully authentic blues tones but then again I'm sure I could find similar tones on the THR10v.2 also. With setting titles like US Blues and the slapback delay effect it is naturally directed to the blues/rockabilly crowd but for me the differences are not so great I'd favour one or the other. The firmware update has blown me away, it's like I've just bought a brand new amp! But.. as far as I'm aware there is no going back to the old version once you've upgraded.

Great, sounds like it ended up being perfect timing for me hehe.

Interestingly I was big for testing the tape echo on the 10C but alas I found it wanting, it was too quiet even at max to ever really be a counter point, it was 50% of the volume of the main guitar which was a shame.

Yeah you were perfect timing for me too! Smile

THR10 delay is more U2-ish I'd say. Sorry I couldn't answer some of your questions early on, some of the surf crew use an AC30 plus Fender for the midrange punch (Bambi Molesters, Madeira)so I kind of knew what you were after, but I hadn't used the other amp models enough to comment.

The problems with v.1 firmware as I see it was the clean amp was treble boosted and there didn't seem any way of calming it down. The gain came on far too quickly and sounded pseudo 8-bit crisp wrapper. That gain sound ran through everything, even through DAW effects and other software amp modelling. I suffer tinnitus so I can be sensitive to certain frequencies (12 years using a 36 inch diesel powered circular saw bench doesn't help!) perhaps that's why Raito and I have differing opinions.

THR5/10 v.2 is so much better, they have pretty much nailed it. The Fender clean is so deep and lush, gain is far more detailed and progressive across the board. All the other amp models start their journey reasonably clean, their individuality has blossomed and react perfectly. It's seems less of a jack of all trades and more of a good general purpose amp now.

Last edited: Jan 26, 2014 07:52:08

Well, sound is always subjective. And I'm currently going through my own tinnitus problems (chronic fungual ear infection, courtesy of my 3 years in Austin's inhospitable climate). But most likely we just like slightly different sounds.

At the moment, I'm agonizing over the V.2 firmware. I'd try it in a second if there were a way to revert back, but I'm not sure I want to jump off the cliff just yet. There doesn't see.m to be much in the way of reviews yet.

When I find the piece of paper I wrote it on, I'll try to remember to post up the full list of amp models, though I don't know whet the V.2 ones are yet.

raito wrote:

At the moment, I'm agonizing over the V.2 firmware. I'd try it in a second if there were a way to revert back, but I'm not sure I want to jump off the cliff just yet. There doesn't see.m to be much in the way of reviews yet.

You mentioned keyboards back there. This time last year I was looking at the Waldorf Blofeld keyboard, fantastic piece of kit which they launched into the market quickly with bugs and unrefined software, they even included hidden built-in samples which they had the nerve to ask extra licence money! It's just the way things are these days. It takes these software guys months to perfect the programming. It's still the same old THR10 but with greatly refined quality, go for it!! I'd love to know what you think even if your opinion is wildly different to mine Smile

Last edited: Jan 26, 2014 16:41:40

No wonder our opinions differ. I'm one of those software guys. In our defense, it's usually not our decision to launch code early. That decision is made way above my pay grade, as are pricing decisions. We don't usually get to make the development schedule, either. And add in marketing guys changing the direction of the products every few months...

I'll note that the one time in my career when I got to make those decisions, the company delivered every project on time, under budget, and on spec (and our client had some pretty exacting specs, like voice recognition at 97% accuracy with no training. As in, there was a guy counting words, and if it fell below 97%, the test was over and we failed). And the company had the first profitable quarters in years. Then the execs screwed things up, I left, and the company essentially folded within the year.

None of which has anything to do with amplifiers.

Ad since I forgot to include it in my last post, here's what I've been abel to glean about the THR series and its models:

THR-5/10 (V1)
Clean = Fender Deluxe
Crunch = VOX AC30
Lead = Marshall Plexi
Brit Hi = Marshall JCM800
Modern = Mesa Boogie

THR-10C
Deluxe = Fender Twin Reverb
Class A = Matchless DC30
US Blues = Fender Blues Jr.
Brit Blues = Marshall Bluesbreaker
Mini = Dr. Z Mini-Z

THR-10X
Power 1 = Engl Powerball
Power 2 = Engl Powerball (lead channel)
Brown 1 = early Van Halen?
Brown 2 = later Van Halen?
Southern Hi = Dimebag Darrell?
(toward the end they weren't referencing particular amplifiers, or maybe I was getting bored after close to an hour of video reviews)

Raito, I wasn't attacking software programmers. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. I just get the feeling that sometimes they don't get time enough to do the best job. Especially with fast moving new products.

Julian Ward has already said the THR v.1 clean is based on a Twin Reverb so it would seem likely Deluxe = Fender Deluxe on the C version, it would make sense I think.

I didn't really take it as a serious attack, so there's no problem. But there's a lot of people who don't much know how the sausage is made. And I was feeling garrulous. Don't worry, I'm enjoying the conversation.

It certainly could be that I got the clean and deluxe channels switched around. Some of my notes from Friday didn't make sense this morning, but that's not surprising.

Either way the 5 v.2 Clean sounds pretty good to me, a lot harder to break up, it is actually clean and stays that way for a good while.

andrew00 wrote:

Either way the 5 v.2 Clean sounds pretty good to me, a lot harder to break up, it is actually clean and stays that way for a good while.

Have you bought one or are you still trying out in shops.

Agreed the v.2 clean has bags of headroom and also very controllable. I really like the crunch setting too.

Last edited: Jan 29, 2014 05:32:33

Julian Ward at NAMM with V.2 news video.

Saw that today looking for more info on the upgrade.

Perfect bedroom amp as for me!

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Reviving this old thread. I'm really tempted by either the 10 or 10C but I find it difficult to make a choice. And they do seem quite loud for my poorly insulated flat after all.

So any up to date experience? Any suggestion which one to choose over the other? Being into surf (I do have a standard Tele. I know, not ideal), 60s garage, odd combinations of low gain punk or indie mixed with blues, jazz, country. Strange pop music. Spaghetti western music. Not high gain punk or metal. Makes it a bit difficult for me to chose one over the other. If it works I could also imagine using the 10C with a pedal, but I don't want a huge array of pedals as I don't have a lot of space to start with. Or the 10 v1 or v2 despite the higher gain on some models?

Samurai wrote:

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That's pretty cool!

Last edited: Aug 06, 2018 07:05:55

I’ve got usual TRH as it sounds more versatile for me, surf, blues, hard rock or thrash metal are ok with it) yes, it can be loud but you may find sweet spots without turning it past 11-12
It takes pedals surprisingly well, overdrives, fuzzes, reverb, tremolo, whatever but I like playing it as it is mostly, cause it’s just a nice sounding all in one plug and play box)
I play it home all the time so may answer your questions I guess)

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Last edited: Aug 07, 2018 00:24:24

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