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SurfGuitar101 Forums » Surf Music General Discussion »
Great article about Fender IV, Sons of Adam, Randy Holden
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 04:21 PM
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 04:38 PM
Many thanks for sharing!!! Just a while ago I asked about having some more info about Fender IV. That's it. —Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini |
Joined: Mar 13, 2009 Posts: 2367 Twin Cities, MN
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 05:00 PM
Great article!! Thanks for sharing! |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19351 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 06:15 PM
Wow that was cool and in-depth. From the description it sounds like the author has mixed up Little Ollie and Malibu Run, just like it is on the bootleg Fender IV comp. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
Joined: Dec 23, 2008 Posts: 3324 Pittsboro, NC
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 08:30 PM
Fascinating article, thanks Ted!
Well... Duke Vin may have objected to that statement if he were still around. Ska has been around since the late 50's, but Jac can be forgiven for not knowing much about the Kingston music scene. (I wonder if Holden did, or if it's just the same muse?) —Mike Last edited: Jan 08, 2014 20:37:37 |
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 09:29 PM
Mike, when Brian and I asked him about that in the interview we did with him (going from my memory - maybe it was another interview, though), he said something along the lines of "what ska? It was just the old Russian rhythm." And yep, I can see that! —Ivan |
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 10:09 PM
That actually makes more sense... maybe you are personally responsible for getting the term "ska" stuck in his head, haha. As our own Ron Rhoades has attested, reggae and ska were not very big in the US in the early 60's as it was in the UK, so it is more likely that Holden's inspiration for rhythm guitar came from elsewhere. Pretty amazing, either way. — |
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Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19351 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 10:21 PM
I vaguely remember Tony, the old drummer of Outerwave, saying they were trying to get in touch with Randy to see if he wanted to play some of his old Fender IV stuff live. Did they find him? I'm guessing it fell through or he had no interest. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Posted on Jan 08 2014 10:38 PM
Bingo Brian. Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Jan 09 2014 12:33 PM
After reading this and having read Ivan's writing I get the sense that Randy Holden does not want to replay the glory days. A bit too painful. Brings to mind Ricky Nelsons song Garden Party. — |
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Posted on Jan 11 2014 02:06 AM
Killer read! Thanks for posting, Ted. —That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it. |
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Posted on Jan 11 2014 09:28 AM
Amen! Just got to reading the full article. Great find-and-share, Ted! Thank you —Fady El Mirage @ ReverbNation |
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Posted on Sep 06 2016 09:40 PM
Bump! This should be required reading, especially in the wake of Randy's fantastic performance at the convention. Interesting to note--and I'm surprised no one has brought it up yet--that, according to Randy himself while introducing the songs, all this time it was we who were mistaken about the "song title mixup" between "Little Ollie" and "Malibu Run." The titles on the Japanese Captain Trip Early Works CD were correct. The Ugly Things article was correct when it stated that "The ultra-moody 'Malibu Run' had originally been titled 'Lonely Surf Guitar,' and features some terrific vibrato-laden guitar work by Holden," and that "Little Ollie" was indeed an "odd but cool ska-beat surf number." —Insect Surfers Last edited: Sep 06, 2016 22:02:50 |
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Posted on Sep 06 2016 09:53 PM
JONPAUL wrote:
Well, is "Malibu Run" really a Holden composition? It was apparently recorded as "Lonely Surf Guitar" by the Safaris, though I don't know the chronology. See this old SG101 thread: https://surfguitar101.com/forums/post/299167/ I still maintain that (the actual, not the mislabeled) "Malibu Run" doesn't sound like much of a 'run' to me, and that the better title would have been "Malibu Crawl"! Ivan |
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Posted on Sep 06 2016 10:10 PM
I'm assuming that The Safaris version came first (1963). The article does cite that it was originally titled "Lonely Surf Guitar," but not that it had been composed by someone else. Yet another mysterious question to ask Randy himself! Or maybe even, "Malibu Hangover?" Insect Surfers |
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Posted on Nov 05 2016 12:21 PM
Randy will be doing a show Sat. Nov 12th at the Echoplex in LA ...The 50th Anniversary of the Riots on the Strip 1966 ?.... |
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Posted on Nov 05 2016 12:55 PM
The Safaris' "Lonely Surf Guitar," and the Fender IV's "Malibu Run" and "Little Ollie" are three completely different tunes. —www.johnblair.us Last edited: Nov 05, 2016 15:08:05 |
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Posted on Nov 06 2016 10:31 AM
John wrote:
John, two of those sound the same to my ears. Holden set the titles straight at the convention, and the track that he says is "Malibu Run" (not the song titled "Malibu Run" on the '65 7" release), the slow, moody number with a lot of sound effects, in its main melody sounds the same as the Safaris' "Lonely Surf Guitar" to me (though obviously the Safaris' version doesn't have any of the sound effects). But, hey, since it's the election season, we can let the people decide! Here are both tracks: —Ivan |
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Posted on Nov 06 2016 09:29 PM
I vote same song, different key and tempo. —Matt "tha Kat" Lentz Last edited: Nov 06, 2016 21:30:00 |
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Posted on Jul 29 2017 02:21 AM
IvanP wrote:
To make matters even more confusing: There is another moody song called "Malibu Run" by the Surfmen that pre-dates the Fender IV. Maybe there is some meaning to it in the surfer lingo, that escapes us today? —Los Apollos - cinematic surf music trio (Berlin) |
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