Muddslide
Joined: Mar 25, 2009
Posts: 76
Gypsy Caravan
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Posted on Dec 24 2013 11:37 PM
Forgive me if this topic has been brought up before.
As far as I know, there never has been, nor is there now, a stock 25.5" scale Fender Jag.
I am wondering if it might be possible to make a stock Jag into a 25.5" scale by moving the bridge down and getting a replacement neck.
Has anyone tried anything of the sort, or heard of something like this working?
I love Jags, but have never got along with the shorter scale length.
I have considered trying to build one out of Warmoth parts, but that seems like it could get rather pricey.
Maybe I should just give in and score a Jazzmaster instead?
I suppose I could get a JM and mod it with Jag pickups...I dunno...just kicking ideas around.
Any ideas out there?
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Dec 24 2013 11:43 PM
In my opinion, anything with that body shape and 25.5 is a Jazzmaster, and anything with that body shape and 24 is a Jag. The pickups don't matter, that won't shape the sound nearly as much as the scale length.
I've heard Jag pickups on a 25.5 before, meh... I definitely prefer Jazzmaster pickups on a 25.5" guitar over Jag pickups.
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normj
Joined: Apr 26, 2010
Posts: 882
central Indiana
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 12:01 AM
Jake pretty much expressed by sentiments exactly. If its an offset body with a 25 1/2 inch scale it is a Jazzmaster or Jazzmaster clone. If its an offset body with a 24 inch scale it is a Jaguar or Jaguar clone.
If you prefer the smaller body shape of the Jaguar but want a 25 1/2 inch neck, take a look at the Xaviere JT-100 sold by Guitar Fetish.
http://www.guitarfetish.com/XV-JT-Series-Offset-Electric-Guitars_c_208.html
It has an offset body that is smaller than a Jazzmaster. It is a 25 1/2 inch scale length guitar. I have one and it is not bad.. I thought they were the best cheap Jazzmaster clone until the new Squier VM Jazzmasters came out. I would think this would be about what you are looking for.
Talk to you later,
Norm
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tubeswell
Joined: Sep 24, 2011
Posts: 1424
Wellington, NZ
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 05:09 AM
Neck, bridge and tailpiece locations on the Jag and JM bodies are slightly different AFAICT, so if you tried to put a JM neck on a Jag body, don't think it would work without some mods.
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6V6
Joined: Nov 15, 2008
Posts: 284
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 10:56 AM
Something that is possible, and i would love to try, is that can very easily put jag pups inside JM covers. The pole spacing is the same. It might take a file to make it work with the claw, but I think that is doable, too. I have wanted use this method to create a gibson scale jag...using a JM body and a 25.5 to 24.75 conversion neck.
You can experiment in creating shortscale versions of your guitars by using a capo and retuning. The tone changes less than you would think.
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 10:58 AM
I Play a 25.5" scale Jag. I love it, but I did custom position the pickups.
Sometimes though, my weak, fret filing tired hands wish it was a regular short scale Jag. LOL
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6V6
Joined: Nov 15, 2008
Posts: 284
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 01:55 PM
CrazyAces, please tell us more about your full scale jag? Custom build? How does the tone compare to a stock jag, strat, or JM?
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BJB
Joined: Jul 28, 2008
Posts: 413
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 07:06 PM
To my ear, my Jaguar sounds like a Jaguar even when it is unplugged. I think much of the 'Jaggy' sound comes from a magic combination of scale length and bridge/tailpiece location. Of course, the pickups and their location have an effect as well, but if you love the sound of the Jaguar, changing the scale length isn't going to get you where you want to be.
— If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 25 2013 07:21 PM
I can see me now - duffer returning to the guitar that I am - going up to play 3rd verse of Penetration and running out of road... I think an aftermarket neck would need to be the thing there.
tubeswell: Holy shape-shifting Batman! 2x thumbs-up.
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SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 10:18 AM
6V6, I custom built my Jazzguar as I call it.
There are many things that change when you alter what I refer to as a guitar's geometry, that is scale length, neck angle, pickup placement etc.
Longer scale lengths tend to have less complex overtones and more emphasis on the fundamental frequencies. I like the higher tension on the strings for my picking hand but sometimes not as much for my left hand, bends and such. I like that I don't have to use heavier strings as well. There are other factors on my guitar that make comparisons difficult. The neck angle on mine is higher which allows me to use an ABR style bridge which is a different sound than stock jags, I've custom positioned the pickups to account for the scale length and my own tastes. The bridge pickup is actually closer toward the neck than standard scale proportions would dictate so with all these changes to the platform direct comparisons are tough.
Generalizations? I think my Jazzguar sounds a little closer to a Tele at times (the metal claws on the pickups induce this a bit) and the neck pickup a little closer to a Strat than a standard Jazzmaster or Jag but it still has it's own thing.
If you go to our reverbnation page and listen to 'Eastwood Outlaw' or 'The Last Song' you can hear the guitar being used, as well as the melody lines in my 2013 comp submission 'Happy Shadow'
http://surfguitar101.com/downloads/details/571/
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 11:07 AM
And, here's a demo of Lollar Jaguar pickups being played on the Jazzguar.
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 11:16 AM
Noel wrote:
And, here's a demo of Lollar Jaguar pickups being played on the Jazzguar.
Yummmmmmmm.
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SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 11:24 AM
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eddiekatcher
Joined: Mar 14, 2006
Posts: 2775
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 09:23 PM
I have AVRI Jag pickups hidden under the pickup covers on my number 2 AVRI Jazzmaster. I did need to route the front pickup cavity a bit to get the rhythm pick up lowered enough to balance it with the lead pickup. I put the body in the milling machine and smacked it a bit. A careful hand and a Dremel tool could accomplish the same effect. I left the Jag covers on but did modify them and the claws to clear the Jazzmaster's cover. I basically trimmed off the top of the Jaguar plastic cover to allow the pole pieces to appear "normal." All this effort was to gain a reasonable guitar to use where neon signs drive a normal Jazzmaster nuts. The modified guitar behaves more like a Jazzmaster but sounds a bit more like a Jaguar. It is much more quiet RF wise as well. I did change the pots to 500Ks and used 2000 pico farad HF shunt cap to keep the highs active while turning down the volume control. This rig works better for me than just playing my Jaguar on stage.
Originally I stuffed Strat pickups in there but didn't warm up to that mod much.
ed
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6V6
Joined: Nov 15, 2008
Posts: 284
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Posted on Dec 26 2013 10:24 PM
CrazyAces..man, really nice playing and tone on your tunes..I need to explore you recordings in more detail! Clearly that guitar works for you. The tone is a bit hard to pin down..and that is very cool!
Noel, thanks for linking the Lollar demo..that's pretty cool too.
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CrazyAces
Joined: Jul 31, 2012
Posts: 4052
Nashville, TN.
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Posted on Dec 27 2013 03:33 PM
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LHR
Joined: Aug 23, 2006
Posts: 2123
The jungle
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Posted on Dec 27 2013 05:55 PM
Echoing what Jake and others have said, if you put a 25-1/2 neck on a Jaguar body, what you wind up with is a Stratocaster, more or less. Okay, less, as you will not have the middle pickup sound in that configuration.
What you actually like about the Jaguar is the 24" scale, I would bet. Maybe not mechanically, but the sound is all there.
— SSIV
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 04 2014 11:20 PM
Anyone ever put a Jag-scale neck on a Jazzmaster? That question came up in another discussion recently.
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SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
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Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Jan 04 2014 11:38 PM
Badger wrote:
Anyone ever put a Jag-scale neck on a Jazzmaster? That question came up in another discussion recently.
As Pete points out above (just scroll up a few posts), and illustrates with the overlay, you'd have to considerably modify the guitar below the bridge pickup. It would be easier to do this to a hardtail Jazzmaster, but why do it the hard way? Wouldn't putting JM pickups or even P90s in a Jag be easier?
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Badger
Joined: Nov 16, 2013
Posts: 4536
Wisconsin
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Posted on Jan 05 2014 07:45 AM
LOL, of course it would be easier.  Just wondered if someone had done it.
I'm gonna snag the overlay and make a nice big hard-copy for him to contemplate.
— Wes
SoCal ex-pat with a snow shovel
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