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Hello
I've been playing and practicing Surf Guitar obsessively for a solid year. Now, apparently I've obsessed myself into one of the worst cases of lateral epicondylitis my Physical Therapist has ever seen. I can't hold a pick, pick up my guitar or shake hands without excruciating pain. Shaking hands I can do without...not playing for months(?) is a more bitter pill.
Any thoughts, advice, comeback experiences? 'Playing through the pain' is what got me here. How do I get back?

Are you holding the pick too tightly when you are double-picking?

Also...

1.) are you strumming with your elbow or wrist?
2.) sitting down or standing up?
3.) How much do you play in a day?
4.) What do you do for a living/hobbies that could also be to blame?

Are you holding the pick too tightly when you are double-picking?

probably

Also...

1.) are you strumming with your elbow or wrist? not sure
2.) sitting down or standing up? both
3.) How much do you play in a day? 1 to 4 hours-lately 5-10 minutes
4.) What do you do for a living/hobbies that could also be to blame? Graphic artist and teacher-10-12 hours of computer.
20 years of Martial arts, 35 years rock climbing, multiple surgeries breaks and arthritis via skateboarding and motorcycles in the past. My hands are pretty messed up depending on weather, which is why I kept playing through...

Last edited: Oct 12, 2013 17:52:16

In that case, I would be mindful of over-gripping the pick, make sure you aren't using your elbow to strum(a nice relaxed wrist), and maybe find if standing or sitting hurts you more and do the one that hurts least.

And I would add... standing and having the guitar slung low, that might help you find out if you use your elbow to strum too much.

You should develop a more ergonomic way of playing. If you hold your arm straight out with your wrist totally limp and relaxed, the angle your hand naturally falls at should be how you hold your wrist when playing on both hands. Never play in a tense fashion, this leads to fatigue and injury. Always play in a completely relaxed state. Learn proper stretching exercises and don't play through pain, you only make it worse. Practice slowly and in a regimented fashion with the goal of building endurance and strength without straining, keeping in mind that progress and growth is a slow process which happens over time, not overnight. Hope this helps

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I am a lifetime tennis player with a ton of experience with all sorts of tendon/overuse issues - and also suffer from tendon issues in my fretting hand from playing guitar. I have plenty of personal experience to offer.

First, as you already know, you need to rest...and then do the physical therapy (sounds like you are, and its pretty straight forward for tennis elbow). Yoga, or a similar stretching/relaxation program can do wonders, too.

I hate to prescribe medicine in a web forum, but a standard recommendation for any type of tendon injury is 800mg of ibuprofen three times a day for a two weeks..taken with food and beware that this can be tough on your stomach (though I have never known anyone in person who has had that issue). This might help with swelling and will take the edge off the pain. Taking a dose here or there wont help much with reducing inflammation..it needs to be sustained over a period of days.

Icing 2-3 times a day, especially after your therapy sessions is also advised. Massaging the affected area with an ice cube is one of the best ways to ice. You might have some luck with a one of the many straps that are sold to tennis players with tennis elbow.

Second, rest means not doing what you were doing to injure yourself. It doesn't mean giving up music. There are many things you can do to have fun and keep learning:

  1. Can you play fingerstyle or with your thumb?
  2. Can you play lap steel or dobro? (For a couple of bucks, you can buy a nut extender for your standard guitar and then go to town).
  3. How about uke or any other smaller scale guitar?
  4. Experiment with reducing the string tension..
    -use a lighter gage string
    -detune a step
    -even detune a step, capo at 2nd fret, and tune to E
  5. Play the bass...or the piano?
  6. If you have to quit for a while, invest the time to beef up your music theory skills...buy a workbook and go to town. I did this for a several month period when injured, and it pays dividends everyday. Almost made the injury worthwhile.

Good luck!

Last edited: Oct 12, 2013 19:32:17

What the other guys have said about holding your pick. Try and develop a relaxed style with your instrument. If you force it, the energy will come out all wrong. Experiment with different pick thicknesses, and string types and gauges. Try picking close to the bridge and then close to the neck, get the feel of how each string bounces back under your picking, and find the optimal pick and string combination for your most comfortable playing zone.

Don't overdo practicing and playing. Try and live a balanced lifestyle. If you overdo it in any one area (like obsessive geetar playing) you invariably may yourself more vulnerable. Eat healthy stuff, get exercise, meditate, get enough sleep, look after your body and your musicianship will improve.

In terms of remedies, I've found bee venom ointment is good for joint and muscle pain like arthritis and RSI. It has analgesic/anaesthetic properties. You can get if from a health shop, but bee careful Smile how much you apply (if you're allergic to bee stings).

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I had it for 3.5 years it was the worst pain ever ! I am a sculptor and illustrator by day and play drums and guitar for fun, it's a over use injury of the worst kind. REST it. Put heat on it , more rest! I had several injections of cortisone . The shots suck and can cause long term damaging but will work if you give it time to heal . I was very very close to going under the knife and bailed after doing research on the procedure. Read what you can ,and get therapy if you can. This can become a chronic problem if you do t address it . Get a wrist guard and take care of that ASAP ! Feel free to pm me for more info.

thanks for all the great info...right now it's rest,ice.strap, PT and a music theory workbook. No playing, except a bit of lap steel. I'm especially interested in experiences returning to playing..PT says not to touch the guitar for at least two months. we'll see how that goes...

I'm a marine mechanic (whole lot of wrenching going on!) and I have fought with this issue a lot over the last three - four years. Having to leave a band and cut down on my playing. I usually begin to start playing now when the season is slowing down.

I've learned to enjoy not playing for a bit and returning. I get a fresh perspective on what I'm playing and how I'm playing it and find I get a flurry of writing done immediately . I was 6 when I started taking lessons and I'm 29 now so coming back I don't have to relearn or anything, it's like riding a bike. Don't over practice either. Four hours is excessive and will burn your arms, wrists and hands out. I mean a live set at 100% energy lasts tops an hour (too long for surf!) So focus on short but intense practice sessions. If your learning to double pick like Dick Dale play LOUD! You'll find yourself not working as hard to make it work.

I hope your on the mend and back at it soon!

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HI all
happy to report that my tennis elbow was mis-diagnosed for over a year. New insurance and examination revealed an 80% detached brachial tendon which has since been reattached by the good folks at Stanford University.
Do you all have a recommendation for an excellent san francisco Bay Area Physical Therapist to assist with rehab return to surf music? Any recs or return to glory anecdotes appreciated. thanks.

Last edited: Jun 27, 2014 23:42:13

Well, not to hijack the thread, after researching some on the infallible internet, I think I may have De Quervains Tenosynovitis in my left hand. Tendon leading from thumb over top of hand to wrist get very sore after minimal playing. At first, thought arthritis was setting in in the thumb joint, but did some checking one night and this sounds more like my problem. Guess I need to make a pointment with the Dr and get it checked.

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