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Permalink Whats that flicky Slacktone thing?

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You know, the bit where Dave does decending triplets right up the neck at high speed. Have watched his Bells lesson but he didn't mention that. I have no idea of the actual technique. Any ideas?
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Nigel

Wow, nobody knows. All this musical knowledge on one site and nobody has a clue!! Even the man himself doesn.t know!!!!

O dear!!!!!

We don't really know what you are talking about. Video/audio example? Also, I never saw this post, must have dropped off the front page quickly.

I think I know what you are talking about... Just a quick succession of fast glissandos high up on the neck so it covers a lot of notes quickly.

Yes, sounds about right Jake. It's a unique riff and very powerfull. I have watched it many times but can't decide if it's muted or open, and where it starts. Does it include harmonics? Is it starting at the 21st fret or over the neck pup?

Help!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBQRR0ovzo0&list=FLOTc-s54wvBesPx9RYJu9Sw

There you go, my fav!! At 28 seconds he does it.

I can see it but cant work out whats happening.

It isn't muted, no harmonics. It is exactly as it looks like with full pressing down of the string against the fret and then quickly flicking his fingers against several frets.

It isn't in the Bells instruction video because I don't think he does it on the album recording.

Ah. Thanks Jake. It looks very tricky but I will follow your guide and work from there. You see, if you don't reslly now where to start you never know if you are practicing it correctly in the first place.

Cheers

N.

it's at 0:36-37 full screen. tremolo picking on an empty string, and pull yor finger through 2-3 frat. thats all

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Thanks togergo. What do you mean by an empty string?
The riff appears to start somewhere over the neck pick up which invalidates what Jake said as there are no frets right there.

Surfocaster wrote:

Which invalidates what Jake said...

No. Not even a possibility. Wink

IMO.

Ah, but on looking again it also starts on another ocasion over 19/20 fret which re validates what Jake said. Shite, this is hard!

No, it is fretted. It isn't over the pickup, it looks that way because of the angle. He does the same thing on Misirlou when he plays it.

Togergo doesn't know what he means by the 'empty string' thing.

Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7_IMzJldOf4#t=31s

This is funny. When learning bells from the HB video, I always just did it. Now, the more I think about how I do it, the harder it becomes.

IMO.

JakeDobner wrote:

Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7_IMzJldOf4#t=31s

I tried to check it out, but that shirt and hair-do are too distracting!

All it is is, I guess is triplets like Surfcaster said. Think of it like /tom/or/Bass drum riffs that are 1/32 notes. Like this this dude explains in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7ORn5YhK0

Think of what John Bonham did in Good Times Bad Times with his bass drum.

Or, this may make more sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4RHvyAFsM

It helps if the open string... in the case of Bells of St Kahuna, the "A" string is musically correct with the song. It's not in this case because "A" is the Major 3rd of the key of "C"... but if you play it fast enough, they won't smell what your doing!

Thanks everyone! See ya at the Sierra Music Camp.

~ dave

Last edited: May 25, 2013 15:15:41

empty string: sometimes i don"'t have time to find the english phrase, so i just translate the hungarian. empty string ('üres húr') - when you don't use your left hand, don't push anything (e-a-d-g-b or e) - I hope it's clear now. -- OPEN STRING Smile

2-3 frets - It means 2 or 3 frets, not 2nd - 3rd fret. so 21-19, or 19-16, I think it's not too important, it's a rhytmic trick inside a really fast tremolo picking, nobody hears the 'melody' Smile

It's really clear at 36-37 in the linked video

Surfocaster wrote:

Thanks togergo. What do you mean by an empty string?
The riff appears to start somewhere over the neck pick up which invalidates what Jake said as there are no frets right there.

original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show

Last edited: May 25, 2013 16:38:14

SlacktoneDave wrote:

JakeDobner wrote:

Check it out here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7_IMzJldOf4#t=31s

I tried to check it out, but that shirt and hair-do are too distracting!

All it is is, I guess is triplets like Surfcaster said. Think of it like /tom/or/Bass drum riffs that are 1/32 notes. Like this this dude explains in his video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_7ORn5YhK0

Think of what John Bonham did in Good Times Bad Times with his bass drum.

Or, this may make more sense:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Td4RHvyAFsM

It helps if the open string... in the case of Bells of St Kahuna, the "A" string is musically correct with the song. "A" is 6th of the key of "C"... which is ok because "A" added to Cmin would make it a minor 6th chord. But if you play it fast enough, they won't smell what your doing!

Thanks everyone! See ya at the Sierra Music Camp.

~ dave

I edited the post to correct the content-sorry

Wanted to add one little comment about Dave's 32nd note triplets (aka the "Flicky" thing). A genre or style of music is defined by musical cues and tones, and once a style is defined, as surf music certainly is, it's very hard to bring something new to the accepted vocabulary. (<paraphrasing> Ivan once mentioned that in Flamenco it's heresy to introduce something new.)
I hear Dave's Flicky thing everywhere now, and not just when bands cover Slacktone songs, it's has become part of the vocabulary of surf music, as much as glissandos, Em trem dips and reverb kicks.
Anyway, I like to call the flicky thing, The Wronski Feint, though probably only Jake will know where that comes from. (or you know how use Google).

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Anyway, I like to call the flicky thing, The Wronski Feint, though probably only Jake will know where that comes from. (or you know how use Google).

Tip of the hat sir! And a second tip of the hat for the new album, it is really special! I've always been a huge fan of your works, this is no exception.

The Wronski Feint it is.

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That was a slightly thought provoking post Pollo, I cant work out if you approve of its ubiquitous use or not.
Maybe if it is now an essential element of Surf guitar trickery it should be named by the man himself?
Whatever its called, I still can't do it!!!

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