shadowlink867
Joined: Apr 12, 2013
Posts: 13
Maryland
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Posted on May 02 2013 07:43 PM
What are the important techniques to know for playing surf? I know things like tremolo picking and using a whammy bar for effect but whenever I try to play surf on my own I just can't seem to make it sound like I think it should. Any advice at all would be great, I just feel like I'm missing a few pieces of the puzzle.
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Las_Barracudas
Joined: Apr 24, 2011
Posts: 1087
Surf City, NC
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Posted on May 02 2013 08:03 PM
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on May 02 2013 09:22 PM
Tell us your gear setup, and a few bands you'd like to emulate.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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shadowlink867
Joined: Apr 12, 2013
Posts: 13
Maryland
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Posted on May 02 2013 09:57 PM
DannySnyder wrote:
Tell us your gear setup, and a few bands you'd like to emulate.
At the moment I have a cheap Squier strat but I'm looking to replace it with a jazzmaster (again, a cheap one). I have the Boss FRV-1 pedal and this pedal (which is essentially two tubescreamers) http://www.guitarfetish.com/Twin-Overdrive-2-Channel-Overdrive-Pedal-TS-808TS-9-Tones_p_2174.html The amp is just a cheap 15w Fender frontman and I'm not sure what I'll be replacing it with yet.
I'm looking to do two kinds; I'd like to do a surf inspired pop punk band (combining a genre I love with a genre I'm already in the local scene with) and instrumental surf similar to Man or Astroman but I enjoy all surf and wouldn't be necessarily be exclusive to one bands style.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 02 2013 10:33 PM
Hey there, I heard these two tracks back to back while driving at work today. I think they kind of fit in the "surf inspirred pop punk" thing.
La Luz - Sure as Spring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sabH3JTvOI
For this track, sounds like a Strat, interesting spring reverb. Doesn't sound like Fender, but fucking rad. I desperately want to get a gig with these ladies.
The other track of Forbidden Fruit by Tijuana Panthers, but I couldn't find that to listen to online(unreleased as of yet).
The trick to surf inspired pop punk is really going to be a long dwell reverb(but not too drippy)in big barre chords or partial powerchords. MoAM was like this and so is that band I linked to above. And then throw in some lead guitar whether or not you throw in any surf technique really won't matter I would think. As long as you got a ballpark sound and good music, that will be good enough for me! You don't need clean guitar, but you also don't want crunching distortion. You don't get the Frontman to break up, but when you get a tube amp the key will be to let it break-up naturally(and boy will it ever at volume).
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on May 02 2013 10:46 PM
What Jake said. I think the key thing for you to work on isn't technique, it's the arrangement and style of playing. Surf/punk doesn't require trad techniques, in fact it negates most of them with the extra distortion and lower reverb. A good lead part in an instrumental song needs to keep the interest up throughout the song. So you need good chord changes, variation in your melodies, catchy hooks and some interesting changes within the song. Otherwise, it becomes very linear and will seem repetitive over a whole set.
My $.02... good luck!
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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bu2b
Joined: Nov 18, 2012
Posts: 32
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Posted on May 02 2013 10:47 PM
Youtube has good ideas, I don't know all the technical terms, but as suggested palm mute is good tool to have. Also learning songs you like first at slow than at various speeds works out too in doing that you very well may find the sound or idea that you hear in your head just keep digging . You have already one valuable technique that will serve you well and that is being willing to be taught, best of luck in your surf journey!
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 02 2013 11:01 PM
I just e-mailed the La Luz ladies about my selling a double bill gig with them! Cross your fingers for me.
On what Danny said about chord progressions, it is the most important thing in pop music. Any great pop song, it is already a damn good song just by the chord changes and how it is strummed. So terribly important, I think MoAM? are masters of this.
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jdangerously57
Joined: Nov 21, 2010
Posts: 236
Medford, OR, USA
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Posted on May 02 2013 11:43 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
The other track of Forbidden Fruit by Tijuana Panthers, but I couldn't find that to listen to online(unreleased as of yet).
Found it on Amazon
— -Damon.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on May 02 2013 11:49 PM
Thanks! I'm not a huge fan of the track, but the guitar is certain reminiscent of surfish stuff.
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shadowlink867
Joined: Apr 12, 2013
Posts: 13
Maryland
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Posted on May 03 2013 08:02 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
I just e-mailed the La Luz ladies about my selling a double bill gig with them! Cross your fingers for me.
fingers crossed
And thanks everyone for the suggestions and ideas, I'm open to any advice anyone wants to give.
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RobC
Joined: Oct 11, 2010
Posts: 152
Bainbridge Island, Washington
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Posted on May 03 2013 01:39 PM
The right reverb tone is hard to describe. I have a really nice TC Electronics Nova pedal which has great reverb but it pales in comparison to an external tank.
This unfortunately means sweet tone= large capital outlay. That being said a good solid state amp with a reverb tank (ie Fender Princeton Chorus) has pristine cleans and damn good reverb at a couple hundred bucks. I would sell the Frontman and start hunting for a nicer amp. Check the "what kind of amp to buy" threads here on SG 101.
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on May 03 2013 07:36 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
Hey there, I heard these two tracks back to back while driving at work today. I think they kind of fit in the "surf inspirred pop punk" thing.
La Luz - Sure as Spring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sabH3JTvOI
For this track, sounds like a Strat, interesting spring reverb. Doesn't sound like Fender, but fucking rad. I desperately want to get a gig with these ladies.
The other track of Forbidden Fruit by Tijuana Panthers, but I couldn't find that to listen to online(unreleased as of yet).
The trick to surf inspired pop punk is really going to be a long dwell reverb(but not too drippy)in big barre chords or partial powerchords. MoAM was like this and so is that band I linked to above. And then throw in some lead guitar whether or not you throw in any surf technique really won't matter I would think. As long as you got a ballpark sound and good music, that will be good enough for me! You don't need clean guitar, but you also don't want crunching distortion. You don't get the Frontman to break up, but when you get a tube amp the key will be to let it break-up naturally(and boy will it ever at volume).
Absolutely Great! Thanks for the tip, Jake.
~ dave
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stratomatic
Joined: Jan 11, 2012
Posts: 114
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Posted on May 03 2013 08:34 PM
Picking and or fretting
Last edited: May 03, 2013 20:36:21
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on May 03 2013 09:38 PM
stratomatic wrote:
Picking and or fretting
When you're really trying to maintain a fast tempo while double-picking.... and you feel like you can't keep up, and are losing authority over the guitar.... try relaxing the strength of the attack. Try it home while playing with a quick tempo record. While maintaining the fast tempo, slowly reduce the right hand attack right down to where the pick may fall out of your hand onto the floor. Get into control of being able to play almost where the pick falls, and all points in between up to hard, full volume hits. This will give you the ability to reduce the pain, and make you play more dynamically .
~dw
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shadowlink867
Joined: Apr 12, 2013
Posts: 13
Maryland
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Posted on May 04 2013 08:10 AM
SlacktoneDave wrote:
stratomatic wrote:
Picking and or fretting
When you're really trying to maintain a fast tempo while double-picking.... and you feel like you can't keep up, and are losing authority over the guitar.... try relaxing the strength of the attack. Try it home while playing with a quick tempo record. While maintaining the fast tempo, slowly reduce the right hand attack right down to where the pick may fall out of your hand onto the floor. Get into control of being able to play almost where the pick falls, and all points in between up to hard, full volume hits. This will give you the ability to reduce the pain, and make you play more dynamically .
~dw
Sounds like sound advice, I'll have to try it in a day or two because the muscle in my right arm is pretty sore from all tremolo picking I've already done.
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JObeast
Joined: Jul 24, 2012
Posts: 2762
Finknabad, Squinkistan
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Posted on May 05 2013 12:32 PM
...and the man knows of what he speaks. Just listen to his playing. Relaxation is the key to control and speed. A tight arm will cramp up and slow you down. Almost-daily practice with a metronome or recording will help forge those synaptic links of deep muscle habit to yield the needed control. Practice, Practice, practice.
...and then more practice.
SlacktoneDave wrote:
stratomatic wrote:
Picking and or fretting
When you're really trying to maintain a fast tempo while double-picking.... and you feel like you can't keep up, and are losing authority over the guitar.... try relaxing the strength of the attack. Try it home while playing with a quick tempo record. While maintaining the fast tempo, slowly reduce the right hand attack right down to where the pick may fall out of your hand onto the floor. Get into control of being able to play almost where the pick falls, and all points in between up to hard, full volume hits. This will give you the ability to reduce the pain, and make you play more dynamically .
~dw
— Squink Out!
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surfacabra
Joined: Jun 13, 2011
Posts: 36
Space Coast, Florida
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Posted on May 05 2013 05:14 PM
Slacktone Dave wrote:
When you're really trying to maintain a fast tempo while double-picking.... and you feel like you can't keep up, and are losing authority over the guitar.... try relaxing the strength of the attack. Try it home while playing with a quick tempo record. While maintaining the fast tempo, slowly reduce the right hand attack right down to where the pick may fall out of your hand onto the floor. Get into control of being able to play almost where the pick falls, and all points in between up to hard, full volume hits. This will give you the ability to reduce the pain, and make you play more dynamically .
~dw
Great tip Slacktone Dave! Thank you. You're no knowledge miser!!
— Bill Surfacabra
Bill Surf
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on May 06 2013 02:21 PM
the most important technique: remember to breathe while playing surf
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hoagiebait
Joined: May 05, 2013
Posts: 13
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Posted on May 06 2013 05:19 PM
You guys know the Night Birds? Check 'em out!!! Punk and Surf combined pretty damn well-ly.
http://night-birds.bandcamp.com/
— Always down to trade records!!!
http://deadformat.net/tradelist/hoagiebait
Music!!!
https://hoagiebait.bandcamp.com
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