In order to get the grove on, should the bass player listen to..
A: the bass drum.
B: the snare drum.
C: the high hats.
D: the rhythm guitar.
E: none of the above.
F: other__
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:17 AM
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:33 AM
I'm not a bass player, so I watch this video to get the bass-ics down.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz8uzuJxufo) — |
Joined: Apr 05, 2006 Posts: 1544 Bethlehem, GA
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:40 AM
If you are an "in the pocket" player, lock in with the kick drum. That's assuming you are playing with a competent, groove-oriented drummer, not a showboat. Jack Booth The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005) |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:44 AM
Dick Dale —original compositions (low-level demo stuff /out of tune, etc) myStuff not my best, but i don't like to be in a musician community without anything to show |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:54 AM
"That's assuming you are playing with a competent, groove-oriented drummer, not a showboat." DING<DING<DING we have a winner! Last weeks rehersal had the drummer (seasoned classic rock vet, with polka,country,big band experince) telling the newbie bass player (stuck a bass in his hands a couple of years ago and said go) to listen to the rhythm guitar (me). I was thinking about this and I listen to the snare, bass guitar should listen to bass trouble is drummer has a spastic foot and plays these "phantom" beats and gets all John Bonham on us. Sigh. — |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 12:04 PM
I've played along side of several different drummers in the few surf bands I've played in over the years and a REALLY GOOD "pocket" surf drummer is not easy to find. I like it loud and fast but a drummer (or a guitarist or a bassist, for that matter) that goes nuts and overplays can ruin what might otherwise be a great band. Funny that you mention John Bonham...Several years ago the X-Rays were setting up for a club gig in Savannah when our then-new drummer asked the sound guy to set up some additional mics on his kit so he could "sound like John Bonham". The look of disgust on the sound guy's face was priceless. —Jack Booth The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005) |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 12:06 PM
James Jamerson done. This would be for all styles of music, LOL —http://www.facebook.com/CrazyAcesMusic |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 03:07 PM
As someone who studied bass and played jazz bass throughout university I can assure you WoodyJ is absolutely right. The bassist definitely should lock up with the kick. They used to have drills where they turned out all the lights and made us just groove for minutes on end without distraction. Bass and kick- that's Day One of Rhythm Section 101. |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 08:28 PM
Jetpack wrote:
That sounds like a lot of fun! —This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got. |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 08:30 PM
The bassist should listen to the entire group. And the entire group should listen to each other. Rev —Canadian Surf |
Joined: Oct 05, 2012 Posts: 1725 Austin, Texas
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 10:38 PM
WoodyJ wrote:
Here's a question, what if there is no kick? I'll begin recording with just a snare soon, and I'm thinking I'll rid my bass of all tonal character, and use it as low end foundation in place of a kick. Btw, anyone know how a snare will work? I may add in a tambourine if it's not enough, but I'd love you guy's input. —IMO. |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:00 PM
Altar, I'd recommend one of these: http://www.alesis.com/sr16 They have been on the market for several years, are very simple to use with 50 presets, are programmable and MIDI capable if you are into that and can be bought very cheap on ebay...$50-75. Problem solved! Jack Booth The Mariners (1964-68, 1996-2005) |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:11 PM
Well, I have many drum machines, but this is my effort to move in to more organic recording. I hope I can capture a more "vintage" sounding tone. I know a lot of beach boys recordings used just snare, so perhaps it will push me more in that direction. I just want to move into "real" recording and get past all the digital editing. It just feels fake. —IMO. |
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Posted on Mar 19 2013 11:51 PM
revhank wrote:
We have a winner! |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 12:03 AM
JakeDobner wrote:
+1!!! Insect Surfers |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 12:07 AM
I'm curious as to if this original post is about a guitarist wanting to teach his bassist 'how to play surf music'. I see a lot of posts from guitarist trying to teach their drummer or bassist how to play surf. Please never ever do this to a bassist or drummer. If they aren't good enough at their instrument, let them play what they like. If they aren't good enough to play what they like, why are they in your band? If you aren't paying your other musicians, don't tell them what to play. A general rule, oft ignored. |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 08:52 AM
"The bassist should listen to the entire group. And the entire group should listen to each other." Truth Rev. "I'm curious as to if this original post is about a guitarist wanting to teach his bassist 'how to play surf music'. I see a lot of posts from guitarist trying to teach their drummer or bassist how to play surf. Please never ever do this to a bassist or drummer. If they aren't good enough at their instrument, let them play what they like. If they aren't good enough to play what they like, why are they in your band?" It's more about me whining and looking to confirm the Bass Guit. is to lock in with the Bass Drum in order to Groove. Something I did learn in Jr High Jazz band. I'm using the thread as therapy. Our drummer can play the parts, but he gets bored quickly.(we do change it up with Shads tunes, polkas, rockabilly, SpagWest and spy). When people get bored they look for entertainment. That entertainment would be picking on the youngest weakest member, the bassist. The bassist, my nephew and half the age of the others in the band, is organically growing into his part (I remember your advice Jake) and only receives guidance from me on things like "you will play better if you don't drink four beers before a show" and "If you move up the neck the frets are closer together and that part would be easier to play". I'm not there with a whip and jack boots telling them to play it this way, the only way, my way or the highway. The band is taking on it's own flavor from the mix of styles and experience of the players. "If you aren't paying your other musicians, don't tell them what to play. A general rule, oft ignored." Truth again. — |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 09:54 AM
My humble opinion, A bassplayer should primarily focus on the drummer and enhance beat/groove adding melody/harmonics. It's partly a percussive instrument. Tell your bassplayer to check out Carol Kaye. |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 09:57 AM
heepeejeep wrote:
Definitely one of the best bassists ever. I'm working on learning her Beach Boys lines right now, sloop john b. is genius! —IMO. |
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Posted on Mar 20 2013 04:29 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
Yep. If I tried to tell the guys how to play: Rev —Canadian Surf |
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