psychonaut
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 10:00 AM
You shouldn't use tabs.
People ask for them every so often, and I understand the desire, but...
One of the most vital skills in music is having a good ear and being able to match the notes that you hear. This must be developed through ear training.
If you rely on tabs, you really don't develop this.
You gain so much more by simply trying to learn songs by ear. I learned to play before tabs were widely used and available. The only written form of music around was standard notation sheet music. Usually arranged for piano and almost useless for guitar. So I learned everything by ear from records, just sitting there trying to find each note one by one. The more I did it the better I got at it. Now I can figure out anything by ear without a lot of effort. Okay, I'll admit that I've used tabs from time to time to learn really difficult passages, but I've always tried really hard to learn it on my own first, and by now I don't need to use tabs. Most surf song are simple and very easy, and there are so many ways available now to slow down recordings without changing pitch, that there is no excuse to rely on tablature.
Absolute beginners might benefit from using tab, but the training wheels should come off sooner rather than later.
If you learn the fundamentals of music, and develop your ear, you'll be able to figure out virtually anything.
Think about it; There are only twelve notes, so how hard could it possibly be? Any piece of music is just an arrangement of those twelve notes. If you break a riff down by slowing the recording, it just becomes a matter of finding each note by simple trial and error. Anybody that applies themselves can do this. Invest a little time, patience and effort in this process and you'll progress by leaps and bounds!
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morphball
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 10:32 AM
Couldn't agree more. I often employed tablature in the 80's, but after I started playing again about 4-5 years ago I haven't really used it at all, mostly in thanks to tempo-altering software and Youtube. The funny thing is that tab is seen as the easiest path to playing a song, but developing your ear can actually yield even quicker results (and with enough practice you don't even need to slow parts down anymore), and I'd argue the process is less boring.
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bamboozer
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Delaware
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:14 AM
Tabs are a tool, nothing more. If you prefer to transcribe by ear perhaps it is better, but I like both. And since I split my time between several bands on piano/keys and guitar anything that saves me time is welcome.
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Las_Barracudas
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Surf City, NC
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:22 AM
Well, back in the day there was very little tablature around and like you I pretty much learned stuff by ear unless a fellow band mate or picker actually showed me.
That said, now-a-days I take full advantage of all that's available when it comes to learning. The availability of tablature and especially video (youtube) is a gold mine imho.
For me, I have a limited amount of time to devote to music so if I can find some tab or video that'll help me learn a new song I'm all over it.
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norcalhodad
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:27 AM
Yeah, when you learn a song by ear and you screw it up, you've created a new song and you are now an artist. If you screw up a song you learned from tabs then you just plain suck.
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BeachBumScott
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The Ranch, CO
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:31 AM
and then there are some of us that just want to play a song and don't really want to spend days or weeks to figure it out...
I am not trying to be an ass but learning to play a song that is drenched in reverb and all fuzzed up played through who knows what amp on a guitar that has more than one pick up to choose from can be a little hard for some folks.
Its not quite like when I am trying to learn a clawhammer ol timey banjo tune by ear... that is pretty straight forward.
That being said, learning a whole lot of songs by tab has made it easier for me to try to learn a song by ear...
I can now recognize the notes better in a song by ear now that I learned a similar song from tab.
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imafunkyman
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Utah
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:32 AM
Good thread. Since I picked up guitar again after a 10 years, I've made it a point to listen and watch more. I have sworn off of tabs. YouTube is great source.
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Brian
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:42 AM
Back when I was playing, I too came to this decision, albeit it was a painful one at first. Tabs are great for the absolute beginner, just so you can avoid Mel Bay's Mary had a Little Lamb and play stuff you enjoy while you are grappling with the physical aspects of moving your fingers around. But after that, get off of them quick.
I'd say make your own tabs, that way you are listening and then writing it down. Something about this listening and writing process helped me a lot. Slowing songs down on the computer while keeping the pitch the same and then looping over problem parts was a huge help in training my ear.
One of the things that made me realize I should stop using tabs was finding out that most tabs on the Internet are just plain wrong anyway. And some of the official tab books were arranged for piano and in the wrong key of the recording.
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DNAdude
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 11:59 AM
I have no problem with tabs as a tool to help learning, but there are so many great songs for which there are no tabs (or sometimes just no good tabs), and then what do you do? If you learn to pick songs up by ear so that you aren't dependent on tabs, I think you're better off. That way you can use tabs and take advantage of them as a time saver but you can get by without them when you need to.
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Las_Barracudas
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Surf City, NC
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 12:10 PM
I agree with Brian that most tab is not 100% correct but often times it'll get you in the ballpark or close. It's just another tool for me. I like to spend most of my real concentrated time on my / our original material.
I just have little fondness for the days of picking up the needle and moving it back & forth on vinyl albums..... uugh
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caddady
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N.E. Ohio
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 12:16 PM
As a rhythm player these tabs you speak of are of no use to me.
I do find if I write out the chord progression long hand it makes it eaiser to remember.
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tubesNtweed
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Posted on Jan 28 2013 09:45 PM
I learned by tab and youtube vids, but now I can pick a song up by ear, and it's good because I can very easily figure out a song on the fly and it helps when you improv. Once and a while I'll look at tabs for certain songs that are more involved or have a certain lead riff, but I like to come up with my own variations on a song, I'm more of a "color outside of the lines" guy rather than follow an exact set of rules that is sheet music/tab.
Gimme the general key and I can figure it out (most of the time). It's like tuning by ear, I'm 20 yrs old and most others my age (and even older) don't know what to do without a tuner . Learning songs by ear and tuning by ear are dying out and while tabs and tuners are great and useful, they can't replace the basic knowledge one should have of the guitar.
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Wombat
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Byron Bay, Australia
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 12:22 AM
Everyone is different. For whatever reason I don't have a naturally good ear for learning note/riff/etc, I just like playing guitar. For me, tabs are really helpful, I never do exactly the same as the tab(some of the tab is usually wrong anyway) but it does make it faster for me to learn.
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clepak
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Liege (Belgium)
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 01:48 AM
You're right psychonaut. And there are very few tabs of surf songs anyway.
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Ruhar
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 09:51 AM
I don't know. Whenever I hear "you shouldn't do this/that" I tend to wince a bit. Especially when it comes to guitar playing. I think you should do whatever you need to do to get up and running on the guitar. I wholeheartedly agree that training your ear is absolutely critical at some point in your development. And probably, the earlier/the better. Will forcing yourself to not use tabs help? Maybe.
I used tabs quite a bit in my very early development, but I always coupled it with a healthy dose of the play/rewind button on my cassette player (wow, I really dated myself there.) I haven't looked at a tab in quite a long time, but that's because my ear has taken over to the point that I can pick up stuff that tabs can't. So, I think that tabs are OK as an initial starting out tool. They may help fill your toolbox with a couple of fundamental tools that you will need as you progress. At the end of the day, If you can deliver live in front of people, who really cares how you got there?
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Richard
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Georgia
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 10:10 AM
I concur with Ryan, but people like me need a push out of the nest. I'm much better than I used to be, but I tend to turn to tabs or bandmates too quickly when I have trouble with something because I don't have much time to devote to it and/or am frustrated.
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josheboy
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 10:27 AM
Tabs and my ear were the only teachers I had for a long time. Until I actually started getting lessons about 7 or 8 months ago, what little skill I have, I owe to both.
My teacher writes out his lessons and practice sheets in tab, but with other music notation (bars, staffs and flags above the tab number for note duration, rest and repeat symbols, etc) so I remain conscious of the beat and don't have to memorize the exercise during the brief time I spend with him (and pay him for) every week. Plus its teaching me to be mindful of the music theory behind the finger and pluck action.
Brian wrote:
I'd say make your own tabs, that way you are listening and then writing it down. Something about this listening and writing process helped me a lot. Slowing songs down on the computer while keeping the pitch the same and then looping over problem parts was a huge help in training my ear.
I recently picked up Guitar Pro 6 for this purpose. What I end up doing with my lessons and practice sheets is tabbing them out into that program so I can hear the lesson all week (as opposed to just when my teacher is here) thus developing my ear. Also, I can easily mute the track and play it myself, with or without a metronome click, I can speed it up or slow it down as necessary. I could even add other tracks like rhythm or base or even drums so I can learn single parts of songs and practice that way. I think I got the program for $50 and for a noob like me, it's more than worth it.
Just my 2 cents.
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Surf_Skater
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Lawrenceville , GA
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Posted on Jan 29 2013 12:27 PM
Tabs can be a blessing and a curse . Since I did'nt pick up the guitar until I turned 45 I was in a hurry to learn. After 5 years of playing I've finally started to pick things up by ear which helps alot because most tabs I have seen posted online are close but not complete, I also have some books where they put you in the wrong position on the neck. Add to it that there's not alot of tabs for surf or obscure punk rock ( main genres I play )It helps to develop your ear. That said when I'm looking to learn a new song I still look for tabs to get started, but usually figure out the rest myself.
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DNAdude
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North Carolina
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Posted on Jan 30 2013 10:09 AM
Tabs are like crutches - great when you need them, but it's good to get off them when you can. I wouldn't castigate anyone for using tabs, but you want to develop your ear. I think that developing your ear will make you a better player, which using won't do.
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The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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JimJr
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SoCal
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Posted on Jan 31 2013 11:37 AM
First non-introduction post. Please be easy on me.
Tabs have definitely helped me, but they can be frustrating. I don't like to use them too often because I feel like I am spending too much time trying to connect all the dots. On the flip side, there have been parts to many songs I just simply could not pick up on by ear. Using the tabs just for those parts has helped me be able to finish learning a song that I previously would have given up on three quarters of the way through.
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