whistledixie
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Posted on Sep 25 2012 03:07 PM
The subject says it all - I've got a piece I've been working on that I love & would like to maybe do in my surf band, but I wrote it in 3/4 & the bassline works really great in that sig. Is there any surf music in 3/4? If so, links?
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El_Sonido
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Posted on Sep 25 2012 03:53 PM
Cool! would love to hear it.
I wrote one in 6/8 which didn't seem unusual, so I bet that's much more common. Can't say I've heard one in 3/4 off the top of my head.
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IvanP
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 11:55 AM
I don't know a whole lot of surf music in 3/4 (or 6/8), but there are a few songs in those time signatures that I have recorded with the Space Cosssacks and the Madeira:
The Space Cossacks:
Spy Satellite (Interstellar Stomp)
Fiesta Del Cossacapulco (Tsar Wars)
The Madeira:
The Infidel (Carpe Noctem)
The Ritual (Tribal Fires)
I don't think any of these are online anywhere, though I could be wrong.
I'm sure there are other surf songs out there in that signature. In fact, it just occurred to me, there are four on the new Concussions CD, about which there is some discussion here: Dreamsickle, Witchiepoo's Jewelry Box, Champagne Problem, and Everyone's Fast Asleep. Maybe not really surf, but certainly a close cousin.
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raito
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 02:58 PM
You might want to look to surfy version of either some waltzes or classical music. There's probably something out there, though I haven't looked that hard (or thoght that hard) about it.
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djangodeadman
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 03:42 PM
El Mar del Amor on the first Los Fantasticos album is in 6/8 and we do an introduction to The Wedge in waltz time on the new album, although the tune itself is not.
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 03:46 PM
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 05:21 PM
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Jetpack
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Posted on Sep 27 2012 09:59 PM
No. I knew this would get side tracked into songs of 6/8 and then songs that are 6/8 being thought of as 3/4.
They are not the same meter. The accent will fall in the wrong place if you think of 6/8 as just two bars of 3/4.
And Sleepwalk is not in 3/4.
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raito
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 10:32 AM
Maybe, maybe not (though you're correct that they are not the same meter). There's pieces in 6/8 that have the accent on 1, 3, 5, which might as well be in 3/4. There's also pieces that have the accents on 1 and 4. Those couldn't be 3/4. Heck, there's pieces that have backbeats like 2, 4, 6.
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whistledixie
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 10:51 AM
Good stuff here folks - mucho gracias! Before I start googling all the recommends - is Sleepwalk in 6/8 then? We've been working on it & the discussion has taken place -
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Stormtiger
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 11:37 AM
Sleepwalk is in 4/4, only a Dirty Troll would say 3/4 or 6/8.
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whistledixie
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 12:01 PM
Really? The melody fits great over a 6 count?
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 12:07 PM
whistledixie wrote:
Really? The melody fits great over a 6 count?
Hahaha...I just tested this out listening to a few different versions of the song that I have (Stray Cats, The Shadows), as I was curious myself. The song works over a very slow 4/4 or a pretty rapid 6/8.
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 12:13 PM
...but in 6/8 time, the snare hit would be on 4 with the ride carrying quarter notes. In 4/4, the snare hit would be on 2 with the ride carrying eight note triplets.
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El_Sonido
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 12:39 PM
Sleepwalk is in 4/4. It's the 1/4 note triplet feel that's confusing things.
I suppose it could be written out in 6/8, the math would prolly work out, but it would be twice as long and w/ a lot of whole notes.
3/4 and 6/8 have different feels. For 3/4 think waltz.
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 12:53 PM
The original arrangement for Sleepwalk by Santo and Johnny is 6/8. All the published scores I've seen for it are 6/8. Has anyone played it in 4/4? The copyrighted arrangement from 1959 calls for it to be played slowly. It is a very romantic slow dance number.
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 01:18 PM
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 01:22 PM
Try as hard as I can, I just can't count it one-two-three-four, one-two-three-four, one-two-three-four. The only way I hear it is one-two-three-four-five-six, one-two-three-four-five-six. Accent on one & four.
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whistledixie
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 01:38 PM
Noel wrote:
Try as hard as I can, I just can't count it one-two-three-four, one-two-three-four, one-two-three-four. The only way I hear it is one-two-three-four-five-six, one-two-three-four-five-six. Accent on one & four.
That's me. When I listen, I hear a 6 count for each chord, C - Am - Fm - G. With the snare on the 4. The way we play, the arpeggiated backing guitar part really spells out the time signature
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whistledixie
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Posted on Sep 28 2012 01:43 PM
El_Sonido wrote:
Sleepwalk is in 4/4. It's the 1/4 note triplet feel that's confusing things.
I suppose it could be written out in 6/8, the math would prolly work out, but it would be twice as long and w/ a lot of whole notes.
3/4 and 6/8 have different feels. For 3/4 think waltz.
ok, I get what you are saying here - for 4/4 it is: 1 tick tick 2 tick tick 3 tick tick 4 tick tick.
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