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I'm amazed more and more each day by Johnny Marr. Been a die-hard Smiths fan since 2007, so that is saying something.

His playing, just defies logic. I've heard most everything he has done and the first time I hear it I honestly have little idea what he is going to do next, and this holds true to this day. I've heard hundreds of his tracks, but he still throws me for a loop.

I have some cool examples. I have nothing to say about the examples really, other than have a listen and that I love them. All of the links are not of songs, but of Johnny playing the track solo. Any if you've never watched the entirety of these videos, please do. He has sage advice for anybody.

Some Girls Are Bigger than Others

There is a Light...

What Difference Does it Make

Big Mouth Strikes Again

This Charming Man

Anybody else have any thoughts to share on the man?

The blue portion of this link is interesting: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6r0g62uX_Qc/T2zWDEktkZI/AAAAAAAACyg/8SdlT7EERIA/s1600/5.jpg

Really great footage... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPoUB9qBdg4&feature=player_detailpage#t=358s

An amazing guitar player. I wouldn't say that he is under-rated, as it is well known how great he is. Perhaps it is more that he is less known than he should be...

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If he would write some instrumentals or if somehow they could replace Morrissey's voice, I would listen. He's a fine, innovative guitarist. But those vocals just kill it for me.

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I have struggled for years with the fact that I actually enjoy Mr. Morrissey. Yes, even his solo material is in my collection. However, I find that most of my enjoyment for Smiths/Morrissey these days is mostly nostalgia. Just like most of the Euro Bands I was listening to in the late 80's, they just don't strike me the way they used to, except for, of course, Jesus and Mary Chain.

My memory could be failing me, but I believe there was an instrumental or two in the Smiths discography.

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deepeddy wrote:

If he would write some instrumentals or if somehow they could replace Morrissey's voice, I would listen. He's a fine, innovative guitarist. But those vocals just kill it for me.

I agree. I like The Smiths, but I can only listen to so much of Morrissey's "vocalizing" before it becomes tiring. Always appreciated Marr's input though, and would love to hear some instrumental work.

Mike

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'Oscillate Wildly' was an instrumental Smiths track.

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killbabykill34 wrote:

'Oscillate Wildly' was an instrumental Smiths track.

And is awesome!

Indeed it is. I have seen some bootlegs of unreleased material that is largely made up of instrumental tracks as well, but never got them.

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Huge fan of Marr. He is a very elusive guitar player with a really original voice. Here's a cool What's in my bag video from Amoeba featuring Johnny Marr. By the way I have the Crime and Dissonance CD he talks about and it is amazing!

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JakeDobner wrote:

I'm amazed more and more each day by Johnny Marr. Been a die-hard Smiths fan since 2007, so that is saying something.

2007? What took you so long, Jake? 1983 in my case Big Razz

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djangodeadman wrote:

JakeDobner wrote:

I'm amazed more and more each day by Johnny Marr. Been a die-hard Smiths fan since 2007, so that is saying something.

2007? What took you so long, Jake? 1983 in my case Big Razz

If I came out of the womb with a pompadour and carrying a bouquet of flowers, then I've been a Smiths fan since 1984... still not as good as you...

killbabykill34 wrote:

I have struggled for years with the fact that I actually enjoy Mr. Morrissey. Yes, even his solo material is in my collection. However, I find that most of my enjoyment for Smiths/Morrissey these days is mostly nostalgia. Just like most of the Euro Bands I was listening to in the late 80's, they just don't strike me the way they used to, except for, of course, Jesus and Mary Chain.

My memory could be failing me, but I believe there was an instrumental or two in the Smiths discography.

Yes! I still love Jesus & Mary Chain. Listened to Stoned and Dethroned this morning, interestingly. Also love Robyn Hitchcock (with and without the Egyptians), Soft Boys, XTC, Stone Roses, Echo & the Bunnymen, English Beat, Madness, Specials, Joy Division, etc.

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Last edited: Jun 15, 2012 12:36:11

Ok, please be gentle with me here. This is being presented with complete sincerity. Can you guys educate someone that is ignorant about this kind of music? I'm extremely open minded and have studied many, many, many different varieties of musical genres and traditions, but know absolutely zero about the whole Smiths/Marr and/or "Manchester" sound (is this even the correct term?). I'm open and willing to learn. Exactly what is it about this material that is so appealing? What sets it apart from everything else? Who were the major pioneers? What would be the required listening if you were teaching a Marr/Manchester 101 course? Most importantly, I'm interested in the whys--in other words, rather than just expressing that a particular guitar player is so amazing or has a sound that is ground-breaking, please explain WHY this is considered. Could someone make me a compilation CD that illustrates the best of the best? Really, I want to learn! Cheers!

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JakeDobner wrote:

djangodeadman wrote:

JakeDobner wrote:

I'm amazed more and more each day by Johnny Marr. Been a die-hard Smiths fan since 2007, so that is saying something.

2007? What took you so long, Jake? 1983 in my case Big Razz

If I came out of the womb with a pompadour and carrying a bouquet of flowers, then I've been a Smiths fan since 1984... still not as good as you...

It's brilliant that you a couple of generations on and still dig the Smiths. For me its reassuring the music was good and wasn't merely fad or fashion. Like most Brits i found the Smiths on BBC Top of the Pops and loved them from minute one but i got a lot of flak from friends who hated them. A while later the same people were raving about the soundtrack of a tv advert, i was so pleased to tell them they were listening to the Smiths!
Here it is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTQaBRGAf0g

JONPAUL wrote:

Ok, please be gentle with me here. This is being presented with complete sincerity. Can you guys educate someone that is ignorant about this kind of music? I'm extremely open minded and have studied many, many, many different varieties of musical genres and traditions, but know absolutely zero about the whole Smiths/Marr and/or "Manchester" sound (is this even the correct term?). I'm open and willing to learn. Exactly what is it about this material that is so appealing? What sets it apart from everything else? Who were the major pioneers? What would be the required listening if you were teaching a Marr/Manchester 101 course? Most importantly, I'm interested in the whys--in other words, rather than just expressing that a particular guitar player is so amazing or has a sound that is ground-breaking, please explain WHY this is considered. Could someone make me a compilation CD that illustrates the best of the best? Really, I want to learn! Cheers!

While this is actually a youtube video of someone else playing the guitar part, perhaps this jangly part will give you an idea why Johnny Marr receives so many accolades. As far as the 'manchester sound' goes, I honestly would debate there really wasn't one, as I really don't believe there were many musical threads holding the bands of that era together outside of their shared geography.

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He's been one of my favorite guitarists for a while.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk

I LOVE The Smiths. Ever since I was exposed to it, back in the late 80s when I was in Junior High, I have had Smith tapes/CDs in my regular rotation. Their Self Titled album is one of my fave albums of all time. I like Morrissey's solo stuff too, but the magic (in my opinion) was all in the Smiths years.

Johnny definitely comes at you from many different angles. I've been listening to the Smiths for decades now, and I still hear new things from time to time.

Thanks for posting that WHATS IN MY BAG video, Ryan. That's cool that he picked up a Bonobo CD. Bonobo is excellent, and I highly recommend to anyone who likes the down tempo electronic stuff. That Huxley documentary looks really interesting too. Viva le Amoeba!

No real Manchester sound in my opinion.

Joy Division, New Order, Chameleons, Smiths, Stone Roses are regarded as the giants of the 80s musical scene in Manchester. None of them really sound alike. Chameleons are regarded in a lesser light, but I think they are one of the best bands of the era. Stone Roses were part of a scene called "Madchester". Stone Roses, Happy Mondays, Inspiral Carpets. Stone Roses' first album is amazing, I don't really like any of the other Madchester stuff.

England had a really great 80s when it comes to music. Add in the Cure, Echo and the Bunnymen, Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, even U2(whose releases WERE great in the 80s).

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