What are the points for and against covering someone elses song, and making it your own, as in making it the one song that your band plays every time on stage?
Totally giving due credit to the original composer and band of course.
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Joined: Sep 07, 2006 Posts: 1503 Redlands, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
What are the points for and against covering someone elses song, and making it your own, as in making it the one song that your band plays every time on stage? Totally giving due credit to the original composer and band of course. |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 4387 Under the Sun ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I think DD's version of "Misirlou" is a pretty strong argument 'for.' -Warren —That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it. |
![]() Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11062 Berkeley, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I can't think of any argument against covering a song if you like the song and it's appropriate to what you're doing. We once played at a deli that was concerned that ASCAP was going to charge them if we played other people's music so we stuck to originals, but that's rare. Maybe you can clarify your question a little more? —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: Sep 07, 2006 Posts: 1503 Redlands, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Danny... |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
That would be a cool situation if your band opened for DD, and your chosen tune was "Miserlou"...or better yet "Smoke on the Water"...I wonder what DD would think of that??? I wonder if anyone has "out-trademarked" one of DD's "trademark" tunes while perfoming at the same show with him? Slacktone's version of Miserlou comes to mind...
Honestly, in the Surf Realm, I don't think it matters too much...unless of course you are playing at the same show with the song's author/populizer...and you are stealing their thunder so to speak. Sort of like Townshend and Hendrix ant Monterrey...The Who smashed guitars, Hendrix flamed 'em... |
![]() Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19321 Des Moines, Iowa, USA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I don't think so. It's flattery. It's showing your stripes and influences. When the Nebulas play a Satan's Pilgrim tune (for example) they do it to show their respect to a band they really dig. I just made that up, but that is what it appears to me. —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
![]() Joined: Nov 02, 2006 Posts: 564 Virginia Beach |
Was it a kosher deli? I thought copywrighting laws only applied to recording, and you can play whatever song you want. Unless its recorded nobody can prove you played anything. I think the question pertains to playing a bands song thats not neccessarily really famous or even signed, Its not like you can play miserlou and people will think you wrote it. (Although, Im sure alot of people think DD wrote that, maybe thats a bad example) |
![]() Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1054 Chicago IL. ![]() |
I don't think there is anything against it. Look at some of the original surf bands like Eddie and the Showmen, they were doing Squad Car, Scratch, and Movin'. All of which were done by contemporary bands of the time. We've always done 1 or 2 songs by the Treblemakers. Maybe more in the near future... —"as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there" https://www.facebook.com/reluctantaquanauts/ |
![]() Joined: Apr 24, 2006 Posts: 1618 Ithaca, NY ![]() ![]() |
Surf has always seemed like a very cover-friendly genre to me. Everyone does it, and there are a bunch of classics that just seem to be in the surf community grab bag that everyone plays. From a fan's perspective, covers are fun to hear when done well. I guess it gives plus points to a band when they can put their own original spin on a song that's been done dozens of times. |
![]() Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11062 Berkeley, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I have this situation in fact. We usually open up with the Nebulas' Cosmos 954. As surf musicians are by far the nicest and most supportive group of musicians out there We'll probably be phasing out the covers as time goes by, but it's a huge help when first getting started. Reality is that 90% of the audience will have no idea it's a cover if it was recorded originally after 1965. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
![]() Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11062 Berkeley, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
But of course, Meshugga Beach Party - Live at Saul's Deli. No money, but the corned beef.... divine. ASCAP collects money for live performances too. When Sauls had live music, they were approached by a customer who happened to work for ASCAP and was informed they can pay a fee ($1200?) annually to allow live music that is licensed to others. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
I had to think about this question for a while. I don't think a song can be your signature song unless you wrote it, someone wrote it for you or if you took a song that is not a standard, and made your own arrangement of it. Obviously if you wrote the song, there is no question about it being your own. As to whether it becomes your signature song is really up to the audience. I think there are lots of current surf bands that have written their signature songs. If someone wrote the song for you, like say Bacharach for Dionne Warwick, it really is more her song than his, and anybody else who does it will get compared to her rather than him. "Cum on Feel the Noize" may be Twisted Sister's biggest hit, but to me it will always be a Slade cover. (I am curious to know if anyone can name a surf band with a cover song as their "signature" tune. What band, what song?) And lastly, as to what DD did with Miserlou, he went to the original folk song for inspiration and made it in his image. Slacktone et al do brilliant versions of Miserlou, but no matter how much they add to it, it is still an homage to Dick's arrangement. BUT there are plenty of great songs out there-- so whip up your own arrangement and tattoo it with your name. --Ferenc —Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
"walk, don't run" seems to be a Ventures signature tune...but, I believe it's a cover tune (Johnny Smith, Chet Atkins)...or rather a "re-arranged" tune. -dp |
![]() Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11062 Berkeley, CA ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Yes, but that is the very rare anomoly of an top 40 instrumental song. Exception, not rule. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
The Ventures did a major rearrangement of that song. Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
![]() Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle ![]() ![]() ![]() |
We normally open with Misirlou to let the audience know what we are about. We don't really like playing surf covers. We prefer vocal covers like That Thing You Do and Don't Worry Baby. And in general our set is 90% originals. We have too many songs now so covers are going to be scarce as people start bitching as to why their favorite song is in the set. |
![]() Joined: May 16, 2006 Posts: 91 Florianopolis SC Brazil |
I think surf is a lot like jazz: you can´t avoid the "standards" http://www.myspace.com/cochabambas |
![]() Joined: Apr 24, 2006 Posts: 1618 Ithaca, NY ![]() ![]() |
I think it's kinda unfair to try and make a surf cover your own signature song, but I don't think I've seen that happen. Leaning too heavily on someone else's song can have a similar effect, but I'm okay with it, like Ferenc said, if it's a big time rearrangement and surf-ification of a song previously unrelated to the genre. That can be just as original as an original composition, and shows that you still put thought and effort into reaching the song's "surf potential" as you've interpreted it. I don't see that so much with covering other surf songs. It seems more just like an homage, which is cool.
Mmmm. . . Saul's. |
![]() Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25643 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
about Saul's do they have Kosher ham sandwhiches there? now back on topic. Jeff(bigtikidude) —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
![]() Joined: Apr 21, 2006 Posts: 852 Connersville, Indiana, USA ![]() |
Within the listening area of the local radio station, it'd probably be cool to use a guitar instrumental arrangement of Bert Kaempfert's "A Swingin' Safari." Back in the '70s, when it was a Top 40 rock station, they had a weekly call-in radio classifieds show called The Sell & Swap Shop that used the song as the show theme song. At some point last year, I found out that the song was the original theme for the TV game show, Match Game. So, locally, folks will get a dose of nostalgia connected to the radio show, while anywhere else, folks that remember the original Match Game, and/or dig Bert Kaempfert and His Orchestra will get that dose of nostalgia. Besides, "A Swingin' Safari" is one that should get folks dancing. Matt —Fast Cars & Loud Guitars! |