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What are the points for and against covering someone elses song, and making it your own, as in making it the one song that your band plays every time on stage?

Totally giving due credit to the original composer and band of course.
Joel Very Happy

I think DD's version of "Misirlou" is a pretty strong argument 'for.'

-Warren

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

I can't think of any argument against covering a song if you like the song and it's appropriate to what you're doing. We once played at a deli that was concerned that ASCAP was going to charge them if we played other people's music so we stuck to originals, but that's rare.

Maybe you can clarify your question a little more?

Danny Snyder

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Danny...
Let's say as an example. My band really likes a song you wrote. We decide we like it so much that we will sort of use it as a song we will play at every gig. Sort of like a trademark, I guess, to close down our last set of the night, or to open the first set of the night. Something like that.
Even though the song has been written by you , we are using it regulary.
Would this action be considered inapproate?
Joel Very Happy

Joelman
Danny...
Let's say as an example. My band really likes a song you wrote. We decide we like it so much that we will sort of use it as a song we will play at every gig. Sort of like a trademark, I guess, to close down our last set of the night, or to open the first set of the night. Something like that.
Even though the song has been written by you , we are using it regulary.
Would this action be considered inapproate?
Joel Very Happy

That would be a cool situation if your band opened for DD, and your chosen tune was "Miserlou"...or better yet "Smoke on the Water"...I wonder what DD would think of that???
WWDDD (WhatWouldDickDaleDo)???

I wonder if anyone has "out-trademarked" one of DD's "trademark" tunes while perfoming at the same show with him? Slacktone's version of Miserlou comes to mind...

Stir the Pot
-dp

Honestly, in the Surf Realm, I don't think it matters too much...unless of course you are playing at the same show with the song's author/populizer...and you are stealing their thunder so to speak. Sort of like Townshend and Hendrix ant Monterrey...The Who smashed guitars, Hendrix flamed 'em...

Joelman
Danny...
Let's say as an example. My band really likes a song you wrote. We decide we like it so much that we will sort of use it as a song we will play at every gig. Sort of like a trademark, I guess, to close down our last set of the night, or to open the first set of the night. Something like that.
Even though the song has been written by you , we are using it regulary.
Would this action be considered inapproate?
Joel Very Happy

I don't think so. It's flattery. It's showing your stripes and influences. When the Nebulas play a Satan's Pilgrim tune (for example) they do it to show their respect to a band they really dig. I just made that up, but that is what it appears to me.

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We once played at a deli that was concerned that ASCAP was going to charge them if we played other people's music so we stuck to originals, but that's rare.

Was it a kosher deli? Cool

I thought copywrighting laws only applied to recording, and you can play whatever song you want. Unless its recorded nobody can prove you played anything.

I think the question pertains to playing a bands song thats not neccessarily really famous or even signed, Its not like you can play miserlou and people will think you wrote it. (Although, Im sure alot of people think DD wrote that, maybe thats a bad example)

Joelman
What are the points for and against covering someone elses song, and making it your own, as in making it the one song that your band plays every time on stage?

Totally giving due credit to the original composer and band of course.
Joel Very Happy

I don't think there is anything against it. Look at some of the original surf bands like Eddie and the Showmen, they were doing Squad Car, Scratch, and Movin'. All of which were done by contemporary bands of the time. We've always done 1 or 2 songs by the Treblemakers. Maybe more in the near future...

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Surf has always seemed like a very cover-friendly genre to me. Everyone does it, and there are a bunch of classics that just seem to be in the surf community grab bag that everyone plays. From a fan's perspective, covers are fun to hear when done well. I guess it gives plus points to a band when they can put their own original spin on a song that's been done dozens of times.
It's possible to overdo it with covers--everybody wants some originality, but there are also bands whose MO or mission statement or whatever is to play exclusively or almost exclusively covers, and that works too. I don't see much harm in covers, really.

Joelman
Danny...
Let's say as an example. My band really likes a song you wrote. We decide we like it so much that we will sort of use it as a song we will play at every gig. Sort of like a trademark, I guess, to close down our last set of the night, or to open the first set of the night. Something like that.
Even though the song has been written by you , we are using it regulary.
Would this action be considered inapproate?
Joel Very Happy

I have this situation in fact. We usually open up with the Nebulas' Cosmos 954. As surf musicians are by far the nicest and most supportive group of musicians out there Groovy , I just emailed them, as well as all the other bands we cover, and outright asked them if they had any issues. As expected, none did, and I think they're flattered for the asking, which they should be, because I wouldn't play the song if I didn't think it totally kicked tuchus. Rock

We'll probably be phasing out the covers as time goes by, but it's a huge help when first getting started. Reality is that 90% of the audience will have no idea it's a cover if it was recorded originally after 1965.

Danny Snyder

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Was it a kosher deli? Cool

I thought copywrighting laws only applied to recording, and you can play whatever song you want. Unless its recorded nobody can prove you played anything.

I think the question pertains to playing a bands song thats not neccessarily really famous or even signed, Its not like you can play miserlou and people will think you wrote it. (Although, Im sure alot of people think DD wrote that, maybe thats a bad example)

But of course, Meshugga Beach Party - Live at Saul's Deli. No money, but the corned beef.... divine.

ASCAP collects money for live performances too. When Sauls had live music, they were approached by a customer who happened to work for ASCAP and was informed they can pay a fee ($1200?) annually to allow live music that is licensed to others.

Danny Snyder

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Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

I had to think about this question for a while. I don't think a song can be your signature song unless you wrote it, someone wrote it for you or if you took a song that is not a standard, and made your own arrangement of it.

Obviously if you wrote the song, there is no question about it being your own. As to whether it becomes your signature song is really up to the audience. I think there are lots of current surf bands that have written their signature songs.

If someone wrote the song for you, like say Bacharach for Dionne Warwick, it really is more her song than his, and anybody else who does it will get compared to her rather than him. "Cum on Feel the Noize" may be Twisted Sister's biggest hit, but to me it will always be a Slade cover.

(I am curious to know if anyone can name a surf band with a cover song as their "signature" tune. What band, what song?)

And lastly, as to what DD did with Miserlou, he went to the original folk song for inspiration and made it in his image. Slacktone et al do brilliant versions of Miserlou, but no matter how much they add to it, it is still an homage to Dick's arrangement.

BUT there are plenty of great songs out there-- so whip up your own arrangement and tattoo it with your name.

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"walk, don't run" seems to be a Ventures signature tune...but, I believe it's a cover tune (Johnny Smith, Chet Atkins)...or rather a "re-arranged" tune.

-dp

dp
"walk, don't run" seems to be a Ventures signature tune...but, I believe it's a cover tune (Johnny Smith, Chet Atkins)...or rather a "re-arranged" tune.

-dp

Yes, but that is the very rare anomoly of an top 40 instrumental song. Exception, not rule.

Danny Snyder

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DannySnyder

dp
"walk, don't run" seems to be a Ventures signature tune...but, I believe it's a cover tune (Johnny Smith, Chet Atkins)...or rather a "re-arranged" tune.

Yes, but that is the very rare anomoly of an top 40 instrumental song. Exception, not rule.

The Ventures did a major rearrangement of that song.
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We normally open with Misirlou to let the audience know what we are about. We don't really like playing surf covers. We prefer vocal covers like That Thing You Do and Don't Worry Baby. And in general our set is 90% originals. We have too many songs now so covers are going to be scarce as people start bitching as to why their favorite song is in the set.

I think surf is a lot like jazz: you can´t avoid the "standards" Cool
And heck, I STILL get a kick out of Mr Moto, Bombora, out of limits...

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PolloGuitar
I don't think a song can be your signature song unless you wrote it, someone wrote it for you or if you took a song that is not a standard, and made your own arrangement of it.

I think it's kinda unfair to try and make a surf cover your own signature song, but I don't think I've seen that happen. Leaning too heavily on someone else's song can have a similar effect, but I'm okay with it, like Ferenc said, if it's a big time rearrangement and surf-ification of a song previously unrelated to the genre. That can be just as original as an original composition, and shows that you still put thought and effort into reaching the song's "surf potential" as you've interpreted it. I don't see that so much with covering other surf songs. It seems more just like an homage, which is cool.

DannySnyder
Meshugga Beach Party - Live at Saul's Deli. No money, but the corned beef.... divine.

Mmmm. . . Saul's. Drool
(Sorry, couldn't help it.)

about Saul's do they have Kosher ham sandwhiches there? Wink

now back on topic.
I know alot of bands cover "Jack the ripper" by Link Wray, some surfy, some rough and tuff, like Link did it.
But nobody plays it like The Insect Surfers do.
There psyched out extended solos make it their own,
the version from the KFJC pit should have been on the Link Wray tribute: sorry Ferenc, ya know I love you guys too, Rolling Eyes
But...... Their version of that always just gets me.

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Within the listening area of the local radio station, it'd probably be cool to use a guitar instrumental arrangement of Bert Kaempfert's "A Swingin' Safari." Back in the '70s, when it was a Top 40 rock station, they had a weekly call-in radio classifieds show called The Sell & Swap Shop that used the song as the show theme song. At some point last year, I found out that the song was the original theme for the TV game show, Match Game. So, locally, folks will get a dose of nostalgia connected to the radio show, while anywhere else, folks that remember the original Match Game, and/or dig Bert Kaempfert and His Orchestra will get that dose of nostalgia. Besides, "A Swingin' Safari" is one that should get folks dancing. Smile

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