IvanP
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 08:40 AM
Nothing new for most people here, but a nice article nonetheless.
The Wall Street Journal
POSTMODERN TIMES
JANUARY 27, 2012
It's Alive! Vinyl Makes a Comeback
By ERIC FELTEN
The digital revolution was supposed to do away with a lot of fusty old relics. First compact discs took their toll on the long-playing (and long-played) vinyl record; then iPods and digital downloads began doing the same to CDs. But long after the eulogies had been delivered, the vinyl LP has been revived.
The LP still represents just a sliver of music sales. But last year, according to Nielsen SoundScan data, while CD sales fell by more than 5%, vinyl record sales grew more than 36%.
[FELTEN] Johanna Goodman
Those who collect LPs swear by the virtues of analog.
The majority of vinyl sells in independent record stores, which have championed the format in their quixotic quest to survive. But now big-box stores such as Best Buy are carrying vinyl. Amazon—loath to let any niche escape its domination—has a "Vinyl Store" and recently introduced shipping boxes designed to coddle LP records in transit.
Not just the sales of records are growing, but the equipment to play them, too. As David Bakula, who follows LPs for Nielsen, puts it: "When I walked into Target and found turntables, then I knew we've arrived."
United Record Pressing, the Nashville factory where the Beatles' first U.S. singles were stamped nearly 50 years ago, is feeling the boom: "This plant often runs 24 hours," says Jay Millar, its marketing director.
Who's buying? Hipster-centric indie genres skew vinyl-heavy—alt rock, garage, punk. The list of last year's best-selling LPs includes discs from the Black Keys, Bon Iver, Fleet Foxes and Radiohead. Classic jazz does pretty well, and then there is classic rock: For several years running, the Beatles' "Abbey Road" (1969) has been the top-selling vinyl LP.
Which is one clue to vinyl's appeal. Yes, "Abbey Road" is an essential recording. But it also features what may be the most recognizable image in rock—the fab (and by then estranged) four scissoring across the street on a bright summer day. Such album artwork just isn't quite the same shrank down for CDs or iPods.
Then there is the sound: Those who collect LPs swear by the virtues of analog. For decades a vinyl-dedicated subset of hard-core audiophiles have resisted the digital onslaught. They've rightly derided the brittle compression of CDs and given the cold shoulder to even the more robust digital formats, such as super-audio CDs. (Don't get them started on the hopeless degradation of MP3s.)
And yet that narrow niche of audiophiles with their Ferrari-dear sound systems isn't what has kept LPs alive. Even, it would seem, in the rarefied world of classical recordings. When the San Francisco Symphony packaged its acclaimed recordings of Gustav Mahler's orchestral works, the set was first made available on SACD. But now it has been released on vinyl as well. According to the symphony's general manager, John Kieser, the idea to release "The Mahler Project" on LPs started a few years ago with his then-teenage son, who collected vinyl and insisted that music sounds different in the old analog format.
Mr. Kieser was also keeping track of the sort of sales statistics Nielsen collects. The symphony released the 22-LP Mahler box in part because "vinyl is the only hard format that has seen any growth." There were 500 boxed sets in the initial run, substantial both in price and heft—$750 and more than 30 pounds. Mr. Kieser says only one or two of the sets are left, a month after the official release.
The Mahler box features heavyweight 180-gram discs. That sort of luxury LP makes up about a quarter of the vinyl market. "It's like picking up a toaster from the '50s," says Mr. Millar of United Record Pressing. "You feel like you've got something substantial."
Substantial. That's the word I keep hearing from the fans of vinyl. Records are admirably physical, the antithesis of the everywhere-and-nowhere airiness of "the cloud."
The embrace of vinyl isn't just some retro fad, but a push-back against the techno-triumphalism that insists there is no future for physical artifacts like books and newspapers. It's a small declaration of independence, a refusal to let the march of progress stomp on one's pleasures.
Vinyl is an assertion that efficiency isn't everything. Cars may have done in the buggy, but there still are people who like horses. Engines on watercraft have long obviated the need to mess about with furling and unfurling canvas, luffing and gybing and all the other soggy inconveniences. And yet there are those who choose sailboats. Who needs wine corks when bottle-caps do the job?
Vinyl is decidedly inconvenient, which is the very reason it appeals. To play records, you have to be relatively engaged in the activity. The disc has to be taken off the shelf and out of its sleeve. It has to be placed on the platter. The needle has to be lowered just so. How different that is from the way we've been encouraged to consume music—as a sort of automated aural wallpaper best achieved by a digital playlist in shuffle mode. Vinyl demands—and encourages—more attention. "If I'm cooking or cleaning around the house, I'll plug in the iPhone or play CDs," says Nick Blandford, managing director of the Jagjaguwar record label, home to the indie-folk-rock band Bon Iver. "But if I'm sitting down deliberately to listen to music, I'll listen to vinyl."
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killbabykill34
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 08:53 AM
This is no surprize. There was a resurgence in the mid 90's as well. Currently, when touring, vinyl will fly off of a merch table, depending on what market you are playing. While CD's are very difficult to get rid of in most of the places we play.
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 10:40 AM
Having recently gone through the whole process of mixing, mastering, and releasing a record, I had good oportunity to closely compare the master tape to the subsequent vinyl, CD, and mp3 versions. The vinyl version is closest in sound to the master tape, sounding almost identical to the master. While I'm happy with the CD, when you compare, the difference is HUGE
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 10:49 AM
I take an album that I've been listening to on CD and FLAC for years and I put the vinyl on for the first time and my first reaction is "Goddamn... that sounds amazing". I don't go out of my way to try and hear a difference, it is just so immediately there.
The embrace of vinyl isn't just some retro fad, but a push-back against the techno-triumphalism that insists there is no future for physical artifacts like books and newspapers.
I don't believe that is true. It is a retro fad for many and about sound quality for others. The music industry is stupid and the main mediums(CD, digital) are stuck on sound quality technology from the 80s when most everything ever recorded is available at a higher quality.
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Noel
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 10:52 AM
I like the last sentence, in which the author writes, "But if I'm sitting down deliberately to listen to music, I'll listen to vinyl." That just about completely sums up my listening habits too. I shut my library door and close my eyes, and just listen, to LPs.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 10:55 AM
I put it on even for cooking and cleaning. You have to be careful with the cooking, since you kind of have to time when your hands are clean and when the side is over.
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 10:58 AM
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Noel
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 11:19 AM
Jake. Thanks for sharing that. What is interesting is how much we both have (maybe more than a couple dozen) and that I have some stuff you don't. But, some of what I have is truly horrible. I'd sell it, but then someone would know I had it.
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Matt22
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 01:36 PM
I wish I had the discipline to put all of my albums on a spreadsheet! Nice job, Jake! And a GREAT collection I must add!
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 01:41 PM
It really didn't take that long, I often re-organize my records so when I did that I just wrote them all down in the spread sheet. I had a lot of years and record labels memorized so a lot of it was pretty automatic. I also used Discogs.com if I felt a record might have a limited run or anything special associated with it.
My big mistake was thinking that I could write, for example, "The Smiths" and it would show up under 'S', but the spreadsheet didn't work like. I should have written, "Smiths, The".
What is really cool is that you can organize by the several columns so you can see how many records you have from certain labels, years, etc... I wish I had more 4AD records...
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Matt22
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 04:08 PM
I've got quite a few from my teenage years. I liked that you had early Cocteau Twins and such.
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Group Captain and the Mandrakes 2013
http://www.gcmband.com/
The Surfside IV: 2002-2005, 2008-2009
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 04:57 PM
JakeDobner wrote:
Here is a link to a spreadsheet with all of my records
for anyone that is interested:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ag9dyXKf2OQhdFBDem9wS3pPTUNNRWc5SHVUMEN4emc
Jake,
is that just yer vinyl?
do you have cds too?
are they on a spreadsheet also?
I have been wanting to catalog all of my Music,
I am assuming I have around 8000 cds,
and 400 LPs and 200 45s
May I suggest that you pick up a copy of
Pink Floyds "Animals" and "wish you were here"
Dark side and the Wall are great, but so overplayed.
as for the sales reported in the article,
I am assuming its just new Vinyl?
I know of a few record stores that said if it wasn't for their
Used Vinyl sales, they would have gone out of business a long time ago.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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JakeDobner
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 05:00 PM
Yeah, it is just my vinyl. I have 1200 CDs or so at last count. They are all packed away at the moment due to space issues.
I don't have Animals, but I have "Wish You Were Here" and other Floyd on CD and digital. I just don't have them on vinyl.
Of my top 10% bands, I bought all of their stuff on vinyl, but other stuff I had on CD I haven't made it priority to get that stuff on LP. I'd rather get into more stuff than to replace my CD collection.
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jan 29 2012 05:04 PM
Pink Floyd's Animals is a must have/hear.
do yerself a favor and hunt it down.
criminally underplayed.
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Richard
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 11:11 AM
I was going through my vinyl yesterday because I just, after several years, got another record player (freebie from my in-laws) and moved my modest stack of vinyl from a box to a shelf. I actually have original but rough copies of "The Jimi Hendrix Experience" and Pink Floyd's, "Dark Side Of The Moon" and "The Wall." I didn't remember them and have no idea how I got them. Same goes for a lot of the vinyl I've picked up here and there and not touched or looked at in years.
I don't think I've ever gotten any sound advantage from my vinyl because for my entire life, up to a few years ago, I listened to everything through a very old Panasonic stereo system with one side blown. I had to keep the volume very low to keep it from distorting. My father-in-law was kind of a home stereo guy in the '80s and gave me his old Onkyo player, which I'm connecting to the Onkyo system and small, JBL speaker cabs my wife's had since she was a kid. I imagine the speakers are a good deal better than what I got rid of. Am I going to have a revelation when I fire it up?
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 01:15 PM
The thing about Vinyl sounding better is.
It all depends on how good the turntable, the stereo, and the speakers are.
Some go so far as to put lots of money into the Speaker wire and even the Power supply to the System.
I have a friend in San Diego area with a $4,000.00 ish turntable and comparable stereo system and separate amps and speakers.
He put on the Last Studio Bambi Molesters LP, and to say it was mind blowing is a short description. It was nothing short of a religious experience.
He A/B'd it with the CD.
So much difference.
Everything just blossomed and came to life on the LP and system.
I thought the cd sounded fine.
But the LP was just jaw dropping.
On 1 song there was an acoustic guitar(3rd guitar part) and on the cd it sounded far right, and about 30 feet away.
On LP it sounded between center and right, and about 6 feet away,
like it was in the room, not just a recording.
I am a believer now.
But the sad thing is.
Getting the best sound out of a LP, is a very expensive venture.
if you have a system where each component is 100 bucks or so.
I can't say it will be as mind blowing as my experience.
I also heard a 1.3 million dollar system at a high end shop.
I almost cried, so amazing.
The guy asked me what I heard.
It was hard to explain, but I knew it was really outstanding.
He said let me re-phrase the question.
"what did you not hear"
I knew what he was getting at, but couldn't put it into words.
He said," what you didn't hear was the system.
The more money you pay, the less the actual component colors the sound of the music.
It was like we were in the room where the recording was made.
It was like seeing God,
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Las_Barracudas
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 01:27 PM
Personally, I don't miss this hiss & pop at all.
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Noel
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 01:33 PM
Jeff, I've had that experience. I brought an LP of Tosca with Maria Callas recorded at La Scalla to a place like that. Hearing it played through one of those systems was like being there, and I've been on stage and in the best seats in a concert hall during rehearsals, so I know. The undertones, overtones, the ambience, the depth and breadth of sound was exactly like being in the theater. It was a completely realistic recreation of a live performance. I've never heard anything like it.
My own audio system was about $5,000.00 (in 1990 dollars)and it wasn't even close. The CD version also wan't even close either.
I'll never duplicate my old system again, let alone one of those unlimited systems, but I still prefer vinyl for sound, CD for reliablity and MP3 because I can't play LPs in my car or on my Harley.
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Ariel
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 02:28 PM
One think to remember, is that mastering for vinyl is different from mastering for digital in many aspects. So for a true AB test, one needs to compare the vinyl to a digitized version of the same master.
That said, even the most amazing playback of a session, is at best a recreation of the recording (incl. mics, preamps, recording media etc.), not the same and never can be as being in the same room with the musicians. Not to mention the mix (panning+dynamics at the very least) and other processes. Also, stereo (and even surround) are at best a close approximation of the real space. Most of the time it's not even meant to be.
If it sounds better than the CD version, then it just does, without need to compare it to the live session. When you record it, it's already different. I do find Digital to be taking away some of the feel, the excitement that vinyl can deliver.
Vinyl is awesome, when all the components are adequate, even on a not-super-high-end-audiophile system.
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psychonaut
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Posted on Jan 30 2012 03:05 PM
DreadInBabylon wrote:
One think to remember, is that mastering for vinyl is
different from mastering for digital in many aspects.
So for a true AB test, one needs to compare the vinyl
to a digitized version of the same master.
That said, even the most amazing playback of a session,
is at best a recreation of the recording (incl. mics,
preamps, recording media etc.), not the same and never
can be as being in the same room with the musicians.
Not to mention the mix (panning+dynamics at the very
least) and other processes. Also, stereo (and even
surround) are at best a close approximation of the real
space. Most of the time it's not even meant to be.
If it sounds better than the CD version, then it just
does, without need to compare it to the live session.
When you record it, it's already different. I do find
Digital to be taking away some of the feel, the
excitement that vinyl can deliver.
Vinyl is awesome, when all the components are adequate,
even on a not-super-high-end-audiophile system.
The end product should reflect as closely as posible what is on the master tape (kind of irrelevant for a digital recording I guess). To this end, the mastering process for each respective medium is to accomodate the idiosyncracies of that medium -- and should really be transparent. That said, our record sounds unquestionably better on vinyl than cd when a/b'd with the cd and the 2 track master. Both versions were mastered by top notch pros.
I compared them at the studio were it was recorded, through the speakers it was mixed on. As near as I can put my finger on it, it's about a certain depth, cohesiveness, and harmonics that seem to disapear in the digital realm. Psycho-acoustics if you will.
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