gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 06:42 AM
so do you guys use delay and reverb togheter or switch betwen the two?
i play some first wave surf tunes ans som rautalanka tunes
and usually uses just the reverb tank on the surf and only the boss re-20
on the rautalanka songs...... however the other day at rehearsal
we were doing black sand beach and i forgot to turn of my delay pedal
and it sounded pretty darn good... dont think it works so good on
firewater for an example....
so how do you guys do it just reverb tank? or do you ad som delay???
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Paisley
Joined: Sep 15, 2008
Posts: 110
Melbourne, Australia
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 07:31 AM
I usually mix & match it a bit to see what works best for the song. Having said that, I have noticed that I tend to gravitate towards reverb for faster/frantic/percussive playing, & delay for the more open melodic stuff (if that makes sense...)
Anytime I've tried both together it washed the guitar out of the mix too much for my liking, although sometimes a tight slap echo with reverb can work a treat for the right sort of thing.
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Las_Barracudas
Joined: Apr 24, 2011
Posts: 1087
Surf City, NC
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 09:09 AM
I use one or the other but not both.
— METEOR IV on reverbnation
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 09:42 AM
Paisley wrote:
I have noticed that I
tend to gravitate towards reverb for
faster/frantic/percussive playing, & delay for the more
open melodic stuff (if that makes sense...)
makes very much sense since this is what i do most of the time
i will have to experiment a little cause it really worked
on that song but i guess the reverb does drown in the delay
a bit though
Last edited: Dec 09, 2011 10:13:07
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kenposurf
Joined: Feb 23, 2007
Posts: 1650
Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 10:28 AM
It takes a balance to pull it off...at the gig last night I used reverb, delay and tremolo all together for a few songs...reverb dwell at 1/3rd,long single repeat on the delay and about 1/3rd up on the trem..worked good for Ghost Riders and a couple of Duane Eddy songs..kicked in a clean overdrive for Rumble
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jonfender
Joined: Mar 09, 2011
Posts: 273
Melbourne FL USA
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 10:53 AM
This may not be "news", but I found that if you "finish" a song (last chord twang) with the delay "on" (just the last chord), you get an extreme cavernous sound that is reminiscent of the cool "un-attainable" sounds on some of the better records. The delay should be set on "long" for this & if just used on the "last chord"....it sounds non-muddy & very cool.
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2687
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 11:01 AM
I've been using 2 amps, one with reverb only and the other with the delay.
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:27 PM
Stormtiger wrote:
I've been using 2 amps, one with reverb only and the
other with the delay
hi stormtiger could you pleas explain more about this?
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:28 PM
jonfender wrote:
This may not be "news", but I found that if you
"finish" a song (last chord twang) with the delay "on"
(just the last chord), you get an extreme cavernous
sound that is reminiscent of the cool "un-attainable"
sounds on some of the better records. The delay
should be set on "long" for this & if just used on the
"last chord"....it sounds non-muddy & very cool.
havent tried that something for next reheasal 
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:30 PM
kenposurf wrote:
It takes a balance to pull it off...at the gig last
night I used reverb, delay and tremolo all together for
a few songs...reverb dwell at 1/3rd,long single repeat
on the delay and about 1/3rd up on the trem..worked
good for Ghost Riders and a couple of Duane Eddy
songs..kicked in a clean overdrive for Rumble
yeah i must have gotten lucky with the balance between the two
the delay kinda added an dimension to the sound
Last edited: Dec 09, 2011 13:31:26
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 10331
southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:34 PM
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2687
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:34 PM
There are several ways to do this, I use a Line 6 M-13 Stompbox modeler for delays with wet and dry outputs. I send the dry signal thru the reverb tank, wet signal goes to a separate amp with no reverb so just the delays come thru. It keeps my reverb amp from getting too muddy so it stands out more in the mix.
gui_SURF_tar wrote:
Stormtiger wrote:
I've been using 2 amps, one with reverb only and the
other with the delay
hi stormtiger could you pleas explain more about this?
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:48 PM
Stormtiger wrote:
There are several ways to do this, I use a Line 6 M-13
Stompbox modeler for delays with wet and dry outputs. I
send the dry signal thru the reverb tank, wet signal
goes to a separate amp with no reverb so just the
delays come thru. It keeps my reverb amp from getting
too muddy so it stands out more in the mix.
gui_SURF_tar wrote:
thanks stormtiger interesting stuff....ive heard about this dual amp setup but never knew how it worked.
Stormtiger wrote:
I've been using 2 amps, one with reverb only and
the
other with the delay
hi stormtiger could you pleas explain more about
this?
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gui_SURF_tar
Joined: May 04, 2010
Posts: 175
norway
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 01:50 PM
IvanP wrote:
I pretty much always use both, with the (fairly long)
echo supporting the (fairly deep) reverb to get a
bigger sound.
good to hear ivan i had a long delay also when this accured
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Noel
Joined: Mar 15, 2011
Posts: 8528
Back in Piitsburgh, Pennsylvania, where I grew up.
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 05:26 PM
Might I ask how long is long? My delay pedal can go to 300 ms, but that doesn't sound right mixed with a lot of reverb. In the long run I'm planning to get a BOSS Space Echo. Is that about right?
IvanP wrote:
I pretty much always use both, with the (fairly long)
echo supporting the (fairly deep) reverb to get a
bigger sound.
— This is Noel. Reverb's at maximum an' I'm givin' 'er all she's got.
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morphball
Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Posts: 3324
Pittsboro, NC
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 05:40 PM
I pretty much always use both, but that's probably because I'm copying Ivan's sound.
In all seriousness, I tend to back off on one or the other... it's either strong echo/weak reverb or weak echo/strong reverb.
— Mike
http://www.youtube.com/morphballio
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IvanP
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 10331
southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 05:46 PM
Noel wrote:
Might I ask how long is long? My delay pedal can go to
300 ms, but that doesn't sound right mixed with a lot
of reverb. In the long run I'm planning to get a BOSS
Space Echo. Is that about right?
Mine's about 400 ms, but I roll off the bass response way down, and dial in a bit of a lo-fi graininess, so the repeats are not as clear and tend to get more swalloped up by the reverb. I vary the reverb setting, but never the echo settings. However, when I roll back reverb, the echo does tend to sound more prominent. That's how I do it, anyway.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Dec 09 2011 10:31 PM
I have to confess that I sometimes use delay to smooth out my double picking. Mainly on the slower stuff, where it's hard to play consistently for more than a few bars. I don't put the delay on heavy, just enough to slur it all together a bit.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
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OzReverb
Joined: Apr 28, 2009
Posts: 460
Victoria
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Posted on Dec 10 2011 01:43 AM
I sometimes use delay with reverb on choruses or where I want a passage to really sound different. I enjoy experimenting with reverb/delay
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MissingLink
Joined: Jul 23, 2008
Posts: 488
Edge of the East China Sea
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Posted on Dec 10 2011 08:57 AM
A fairly heavy dose of slapback seems to accentuate the drip effect used in addition to the tank. It's fun for a while, but eventually it gets to be a bit 'too much' and I'm back to straight reverb again. For a while.
DannySnyder wrote:
I sometimes use delay to smooth
out my double picking... just enough
to slur it all together a bit.
Thanks for this. I recently started turning up the gain more and found that it had a flattering effect on my double picking. It's great but felt a bit like I was cheating somehow. It's good to hear that even the pros welcome a little extra help at times!
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