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Hi All. Just wondering if anyone has nailed any of the classic surf tones with Amplitube software. I think ive got a reasonable Martin Cilia Jag tone and happy to share that if anyone is interested. I would be quite interested in thoughts on D.Wronski and also D.D. Im forever twiddling the dials, the optionss are endless and ive just noticed you can now get the Bandmaster, amongst other amps.
Cheers

Nigel

Well I wouldn't say I've nailed the surf sound in Amplitube, but using their American Vintage "B" or "D" amps with a bit of reverb seems to get me in the ballpark (I think these are their emulations of Fender Bassman and Showman amps respectively). Yes I would be interested in seeing your settings.

Basically I haven't really tried that hard to get a great surf tone in Amplitube since I only use it now and then for fleshing out demos in a hurry. I also use it on my iPod for quickly getting down ideas before they escape my memory - for that purpose it works really well.

Amplitube and Amplitube Fender are different beasts all-together. Amplitube Fender pretty much nails it with its recreations of Fender amps and stomp boxes. I have plain Amplitube as well and it is a great virtual guitar rig modeler but pales in comparison to Amplitube Fender for surf work.

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Indeed, the Amplitube Fender can yield great tones. I have managed to get some usable Surf sounds with it.

However, with software modeling I don't see much point in sharing settings, because:
So much depends on your specific hardware and setup, much much more than when dealing with the real gear.
Pickups used, cable impedance, type and quality of DI/preamp/converter, and especially the gain staging - how hard you hit each stage, and on top of that sampling rate and various software settings, and then there's the monitoring. All of it matters incredibly with modeling software, and that's why I regard "recommendations" and presets as just a software's showcase, not even as 'ballpark' settings.
So much versatility, so much than can differ between users' gear, also a lot that can go wrong too. Endless tweaking is the game, and you can't expect it to sound the same on other systems.

Ah sorry, i should have been more specific, I have Amplitube Fender.
Um, KBK34, you say that Fender Amplitube pretty much nails it, which suggests to me that it is possible to get a really good tone from the software which is why i posed the question in the first place. Which then brings me to the point made by Din Babylon, that there are many factors affecting the end result. thats interesting as M.Cilia has bothered to post some pre sets for both The Atlantics and his own signature tones on the amplitube website. If no one will really benefit then why did he bother. Surely time based effects such as reverb and delay will sound spot on no matter where they eminate from, do you see what i mean?

when i need a surf sound-i just use the twin reverb setting and tweak it to my liking. i have yet to download or use that CD that comes with the mustang series amps. i don't have the patience to twiddle with the thing for more than a few minutes at a time! KUDOS to ya'll that can that can do that. old practicioner of the K.I.S.S. here. and i don't record anymore, i just sit and play for pleasure!!!!! Agree

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

oh, for the unknowing---K.I.S.S. stands for --keep it simple sir!! Face Palm

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

Surfocaster wrote:

thats
interesting as M.Cilia has bothered to post some pre
sets for both The Atlantics and his own signature tones
on the amplitube website. If no one will really benefit
then why did he bother. Surely time based effects such
as reverb and delay will sound spot on no matter where
they eminate from, do you see what i mean?

I get you now, yeah you're right. Modulation settings are certainly more 'transferable' than gain settings. Not spot on, never. It's all in the context of what you're trying to achieve.
Copy someone's sound? forget it. Learning how they use it and have fun? sure.

M. Cilia is a sonic/musical master, and has been generous enough to also share some of his tabs and backing tracks too (on his site), and some video lessons as well. Cool guy, I guess he just likes to share, teach and have fun, and make good use of this exciting platform. "here's what I do, see what you make out from it". Surely there's something to benefit from it, I'll have to check that out too.
Just remember, though he would sound awesome through anything, his albums are recorded immaculately with the best of the best vintage gear available.
For a guy like this, dialing a good tone with whatever's available, analog or digital, is just a matter of using his experienced ears (what IMHO we should strive for instead of trying to copy this bit or that bit, which is also fine along the way), but again - that's HIS context, with his gear, for a specific time and place.

Last edited: Dec 08, 2011 19:36:34

zzero wrote:

oh, for the unknowing---K.I.S.S. stands for --keep it
simple sir!! Face Palm

Yeah, I know what you mean. I got sweet deal on a used Mustang ii. However, I spent more time messing sround with the settings than I did actually playing. The sound was great, but I realized that I'm an old analog guy. I like to look at my knobs and see what is set where. So I sold it. It was to be a practice amp, so now I'm torn between the Fender Frontman 25R ($80 in Texas Red @ Guitar Center) and the Vox Pathfinder 15R.

You're not drunk if you can put your socks on while standing.

Stokeman--i usually get in trouble recommending amps and guitars, so here goes. $80--more wattage vs. $120 and more sounds. personally i would get the vox Shock over the fender. little more expensive but more sounds. the fender will really benefit from a speaker upgrade, good 10's are easy to find. the vox can use a better speaker too but the 8"s are more rare and the cabinet is thinnish and you got to watch the speaker depth 'cuz you got to squeeze the speaker into that thin cab to mount it.
i'm an old analog guy myself which is why i use the 'dumb' settings on the mustangs. know what i'm saying?? Duh

Enjoying the surf,sun and sand!!

zzero wrote:

i'm an old analog guy myself which is why i use the
'dumb' settings on the mustangs. know what i'm
saying?? Duh

Affirmative Wink

You're not drunk if you can put your socks on while standing.

I've used Amplitube Fender on my past couple of releases. I tend to stick with the Deluxe model for the most part.

Mike

manfromravcon.com

Amplitube Fender can give you very passable surf sounds, partly because the amp models are good (and the Twin Reverb and Deluxe Reverb are both amps which some people here like to use for surf), but most importantly because the model of the 63 Reverb tank is so good. This is why you won't get such a good sound using Amplitube, but with Amplitube Fender you will. Of course, with Amplitube 3 and the Custom Shop, you no longer have to buy everything in Amplitube Fender, but can purchase individual elements. If you were to get the Reverb and (say) the Twin (and cab) you'd probably be most of the way to getting a good surf sound. Maybe they'll add a Showman and 1 X 15 cab at some pont and you'll get even closer!

Ravcon - when you hear the Los Fantasticos tracks for our forthcoming split CD with you and the Nematoads, see if you can spot which guitar parts use Amplitube Fender and which don't. Without checking, I couldn't tell you myself! Which is not to say that there is no difference, of course, just that it does sound good to my ears.

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djangodeadman wrote:

Ravcon - when you hear the Los Fantasticos tracks for
our forthcoming split CD with you and the Nematoads,
see if you can spot which guitar parts use Amplitube
Fender and which don't. Without checking, I couldn't
tell you myself! Which is not to say that there is no
difference, of course, just that it does sound good to
my ears.

Can't wait to hear your tracks. I'm really looking forward to this release!

Mike

manfromravcon.com

Din Babylon might have a point. However, to the average players ear, most of these factors are going to make a very minute difference, if any at all. Most of the players on this site are 'plug in and play' musicians. Most have some form of a Fender guitar, plugged into either an outboard reverb tank or a Boss FRV-1 pedal and then into a Fender amp. Yes, there is a lot of tweeking that you can do. But, overall, this is the setup that is going to give you 'that tone', even when using Amplitube Fender. Test out a few of the amp models on there. I suggest the Twin, Showman or Bandmaster. Add to that the 63 Reverb Tank in the software and you will almost be there for the tone you are wanting.

Surfocaster wrote:

Ah sorry, i should have been more specific, I have
Amplitube Fender.
Um, KBK34, you say that Fender Amplitube pretty much
nails it, which suggests to me that it is possible to
get a really good tone from the software which is why i
posed the question in the first place. Which then
brings me to the point made by Din Babylon, that there
are many factors affecting the end result. thats
interesting as M.Cilia has bothered to post some pre
sets for both The Atlantics and his own signature tones
on the amplitube website. If no one will really benefit
then why did he bother. Surely time based effects such
as reverb and delay will sound spot on no matter where
they eminate from, do you see what i mean?

THE KBK ... This is the last known signal. We offer Sanctuary.

www.thekbk.com
http://www.deepeddy.net/artists/thekbk/
www.reverbnation.com/thekbk
www.facebook.com/thekbkal

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_fn2R2lN8c

The lead on this song was done using amplitube fender

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Bilge_Rat wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_fn2R2lN8c

The lead on this song was done using amplitube fender

Well that sounded pretty convincing to my ears (cool tune as well). Hmmm, maybe we need to consider adding this Amplitube Fender to our bag of tricks too.

Last edited: Dec 09, 2011 23:35:16

ravcon wrote:

djangodeadman wrote:

Ravcon - when you hear the Los Fantasticos tracks
for
our forthcoming split CD with you and the Nematoads,
see if you can spot which guitar parts use Amplitube
Fender and which don't. Without checking, I couldn't
tell you myself! Which is not to say that there is
no
difference, of course, just that it does sound good
to
my ears.

Can't wait to hear your tracks. I'm really looking
forward to this release!

Likewise.

Los Fantasticos

It's an extremely easy to use studio tool. I love the fact that you can build tones at home and have them replicated perfectly in the mix. Ever OCD'd on a tone for a couple of hours then shut your rig off and move it to a new space and have it sound completely off? The hours pay off in amplitube.

I still prefer the real deal over software for obvious reasons in live (especially!) and studio situations. I just found my experience with the software was extremely painless under the circumstances.

I use amplitube 3 to demo everything I write on it's proprietary multi-track recorder. Simple and easy and very effective. You can use amplitube fender via amplitube 3, plus throw in hendrix and a heavy metal pack and you got all the bases covered... Dead

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Last edited: Dec 10, 2011 23:44:50

Im coming from the angle of only ever playing at home so the considerations will be different to you guys that play live. Amplitube Fender is a fantastic tool for home use especially silent practicing and i certainly wouldnt want to be without it even though i do have a Princeton 65 RI and the FRV1 pedal.
Cheers

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