pablo
Joined: Aug 16, 2011
Posts: 4
Andalucia
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 01:27 AM
Hi everyone.
I'm close to buy a fender 63 reverb, I've tested it 3 times, but have some complaints about it.
1) It's noisy as hell. Maybe changing the tank will improve that too noisy spring sound, maybe not.
2) It distorts, but anyway, it's a nice distortion and can be almost harnessed using the tone control.
3) Ice pick!!! I only had the opportunity to test it through a Vox Ac30, and with all knobs at 6 there was an emerging ice-pick. Will it make ears bleed through my vibroking?
Is that common to all units, or is that unit faulty?
Will the mods on sf101 help minimizing these issues?
By the way, the tube is a 6v6.
Thanks in advance for your help and experiences
— Electrohumedos
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Dalibor
Joined: Apr 29, 2006
Posts: 227
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 04:26 AM
pablo wrote:
Hi everyone.
I'm close to buy a fender 63 reverb, I've tested it 3
times, but have some complaints about it.
1) It's noisy as hell. Maybe changing the tank will
improve that too noisy spring sound, maybe not.
2) It distorts, but anyway, it's a nice distortion and
can be almost harnessed using the tone control.
3) Ice pick!!! I only had the opportunity to test it
through a Vox Ac30, and with all knobs at 6 there was
an emerging ice-pick. Will it make ears bleed through
my vibroking?
Is that common to all units, or is that unit faulty?
Will the mods on sf101 help minimizing these issues?
By the way, the tube is a 6v6.
Thanks in advance for your help and experiences
I'm certainly not an expert on units but based on my experience I can say that it is not common for fender Reverb Unit to sound like ice pick or to distorts or to be noisy. If it is ice pick on Vox then expect nightmare on Vibroking. BTW why do you want unit if you have Vibroking? It's got pretty decent reverb anyway....
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tubeswell
Joined: Sep 24, 2011
Posts: 1424
Wellington, NZ
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 04:27 AM
With stand alone reverb units, you have to take care what amp to 'mate' it with. Some amps have electrically 'noisy' PTs and OTs which induce hum and other crap into the sensitive reverb pan input transducer. Some amps have poor grounding, and when you plug the SAR into it, you get all sorts of nasty hummy ground loops. Sometimes (if its a badly made SAR) the grounding hum and other electro-magnetic interference can be from within the SAR itself. I have an SAR I built myself and it is dead quiet. Clip of me with strat and SAR I built going into a dry-mic'd 5G9 ('58 tweed tremolux) clone I built
http://music-electronics-forum.com/attachments/4046d1231556236-grapeviner.mp3
Another soundbyte with the above setup, this time with the trip-tastic trem
http://www.nzguitars.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7739
— He who dies with the most tubes... wins
Surf Daddies
Last edited: Sep 26, 2011 04:37:50
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pablo
Joined: Aug 16, 2011
Posts: 4
Andalucia
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 05:00 AM
Thanks for your responses.
Dalibor, vibroking may have the same circuit as the 63 unit, there's some drip, but there's no way I can get a deep reverb.
The tank is fixed to the bottom of the cabinet, so that might be the cause. I'm thinking of changing the tank, beacuse I even get less reverb than many others fender amps.
Tubeswell, there's no hum, as far as I've tested with that unit. But it seems to be really sensible. If I move a knob there's a little splash, If I try a fast phrase with the guitar, and maybe all knobs to 7 or 8, the sound I get is a mess unless I palm-mute the strings.
There's a chance that SAR units are like that, and that I have to learn how to configure it to match the rest of my gear.
Do you people have ice-pick when rolling up the tone knob?
Thanks again (and sorry for my bad and imaginative english)
— Electrohumedos
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tubeswell
Joined: Sep 24, 2011
Posts: 1424
Wellington, NZ
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 06:39 PM
You can change the splash/crash factor by either:
1) plugging in a octal with lower gain like a 6K6 or a 6F6 (instead of a 6V6). Try a 6K6 - what the original '63 SAR shipped with.
2) plugging a lower gain dual triode into the driver pre-amp tube socket, like a 12AY7 (instead of a 12AT7).
— He who dies with the most tubes... wins
Surf Daddies
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flatwound01
Joined: Mar 03, 2006
Posts: 464
Western MA
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Posted on Sep 26 2011 06:50 PM
I agree with tubeswell - the 6K6 will really help a lot with the "ice pick" effect. I've only used new old stock (NOS) 6K6s, so I'm not sure how the more recent versions will work. Good luck!
-Dick
— Fender Reissue Cap Mod Site
http://home.comcast.net/~rmessick2/
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