Surfabilly
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Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 07:12 AM
Since I'm more considering myself a better rhythm guitar player, than lead guitar player, I figured I should learn a bit more than 1 finger across the neck barring. My pinky finger isn't good for anything, as far as making chords goes, but I should be able to find enough 3-finger chords that use just the index, middle and ring fingers, right? Any suggestions as to books I might look for, so I can go through and pick out all the chords I'd be able to play? I do just fine with my current playing style, but I figure there's room for some improvement.
Matt
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Redd_Tyde
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Oceanside, CA
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 12:13 PM
http://fenderplayersclub.com
They have a good lesson, tips and tricks section which will have more than enough to keep you busy. Plus it is all in PDF's so you can save them to your PC.
Also, there are hundreds of other sites that hae chord lessons if you google - Guitar lessons or Guitar Chords (spelling is important on this one, otherwise you get a bunch of cable mfg's)
-RT
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SurfBandBill
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San Francisco
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 03:41 PM
Matt,
Just as a general word of advice - unless there is some medical reason that you can't use your pinky on your left hand, find some way to work it out and put that thing to use. Not using your pinky to fret would be just like me saying I don't need a right foot to walk since I'd do just fine with my left foot and a stump.
You were born with five fingers on each hand for a reason...
~B~
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 03:44 PM
SurfBandBill
You were born with five fingers on each hand for a reason...
~B~
Bill,
thats almost as good as Ran's trying to eat soup with a fork rant.
you guys are killing me today.
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Surfabilly
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Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 06:34 PM
SurfBandBill
- unless there is some medical reason that you can't use your pinky on your left hand, find some way to work it out and put that thing to use.
I have permanent nerve damage, in the bundle of nerves that run along the 5th metacarpal, from them having been severed 9 years ago. An off balance step in the kitchen, put my hands out to regain my balance, and my left hand ended up in a losing fight with a cabinet corner. The neurologist told me that the nerves would eventually grow back together - in 6 months to a year - but he didn't tell me about the possibility of developing a neuropathy at the injury site. In that, I consider myself lucky, as there are people out there with more severely disabling neuropathies than I have in my left hand.
Of course it didn't really slow me down, in that I'm actually able to make "some noise" come out of a guitar that folks actually enjoy, rather than scaring them away or them begging me to stop. The injury happened at a time that I was wanting to get more serious about learning to play guitar, but I went on anyway, developing my mostly one finger across the neck barre with which I've developed several original tunes, and managing to distill some various rock tunes into that playing style..."Foxy Lady," "Purple Haze," "Twist & Shout" a la lead/rhythm style playing, as well as "Walk, Don't Run" and "Tequila" rhythms. On bass, I do fairly good with tunes such as "Money," "My Sharona" and "Taxman," despite that I should use my pinky for those bass lines, and I can manage a 12-bar blues bass line just fine, for only fretting with three fingers. I can sometimes use my pinky when playing bass, but I have to be paying attention to where I'm trying to put it, and that don't always work, so I typically don't even bother.
I've just reached a point where I figure I still might be able to do better, and that's why I asked my question. Of course there are some 3-finger barre chords, but I'd like to have more to play with, for developing rhythm and lead/rhythm parts. Eventually, I'd run out of choices, with just 1-finger barres, and even 3-finger barres. Somewhere along the line, I may work on my lead playing, a bit, and I can manage some lighter stuff, like "Pipeline," Walk, Don't Run" and "Tequila," but with only three working fingers on my fretting hand, I'd be hard pressed to emulate the lead playing of our own Ivan P. Whatever I manage to develop, for original surf leads, will be unique (of course), given my slight limitation, and now anybody reading this will know the why of my limitation, and that I don't really let it slow me down...too terribly much. 
Matt
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Wraydar
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
Posts: 265
San Antonio, TX
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 07:29 PM
For a while before I learned barrs I used these half-assed "barre" chords (meaning I moved them across the neck):
E
e-x
B-x
G-1
D-2
A-2
E-x
A
e-x
B-2
G-2
D-2
A-x
E-x
C
e-x
B-1
G-x
D-2
A-3
E-x
Etc. Etc. I guess these may be fairly obvious. Basically you can just use any chord and mute out the notes you can't fret.
E7-Shape Barre
e-12
B-12
G-13
D-12
A-14
E-12
A7-Shape Barre
e-12
B-14
G-12
D-14
A-12
E-x
E Minor Barre
e-12
B-12
G-12
D-14
A-14
E-12
Also, the A-shape Barre can be considered 2 finger chord if you use your index and ring finger (bent uncomfortabley, but that's how I've always done em).
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Sonichris
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 07:42 PM
How about open tunings?
Chris
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
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Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 08:27 PM
Didn't Django Reinhardt(sp?) only have 2 fingers on his fret hand, I haven't heard his stuff, but people always rave about him.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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pointbreakspy
Joined: Aug 24, 2006
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Newcastle... Australia
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 08:50 PM
How about open tunings?
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E B E G B E - Em
E B E G# B E - Emaj
E B E G# B D# - Emaj7
use a capo too, the frets are closer up the neck,
a good musical friend of mine lost his 1st finger on fretting hand, now he plays killer slide...although he was very depressed for awhile!!
...if you bar with your first finger an open tuning you can get the all the chord flavors without having too stretch too far with the other 2 fingers.
and because the chord is on one fret you can easily make triads and inversions
...also consider using a neck with smaller scale like a 3/4 so that you can reach further..
have fun
adam
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Wraydar
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San Antonio, TX
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 09:05 PM
bigtikidude
Didn't Django Reinhardt(sp?) only have 2 fingers on his fret hand, I haven't heard his stuff, but people always rave about him.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
Two of them were fused in a fire I believe, leaving them unfunctional.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k5FZVlN44CE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=PMLzK_w6ZeM
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Anonymous
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 10:56 PM
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dp
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mojave desert, california
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 11:25 PM
matt:
i concur with the others here who mentioned django reinhardt: his two-finger gypsy-jazz style is worth looking into, if only for the sheer amazement factor.
that said, i do have some more tangible advice for a three-fingered rhythm dude: perhaps you could checkout barre chords in general and the book "fretboard logic" (by bill edwards) in particular. Barre chord facility will allow your three fingers to cover the most territory, and the "fretboard logic" system seems to make sense to me.
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i would reccomend you check out "fretboard logic" (vol 1). you can find bill edwards site here:
http://www.billedwards.com/frameset.html
http://www.billedwards.com/7001.html#
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dp
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Posted on Dec 29 2006 11:41 PM
ps: as far as "solo" or "lead" runs, you could base your technique on something like john entwistle (the who bassist): he mainly played on the fretboard with the first and third fingers in a sort-of "box" pattern style...he was amazingly fast and nimble with his "two-finger" style bass runs...check it out, it might be helpful...even in building a rhythm guitar oriented style.
john plays bassVI while his mum mends some clothes...
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Surfabilly
Joined: Apr 21, 2006
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Connersville, Indiana, USA
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Posted on Dec 30 2006 02:06 AM
Thanks for all the good suggestions, y'all! Now I have a New Year's resolution, for 2007...become a better guitar player! My only alternative, otherwise, was to try going lefty, but I tried it with my Squier bass once, turned upside down a la Hendrix/DD...ain't gonna happen. 
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Rio
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Posts: 500
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted on Jan 01 2007 11:10 AM
Django is awesome... regardless of your own style of playing, or primary tastes & interests in music, listening to the two-fingered jazz-gypsy is incredibly eye-opening & inspiring.
As for three-fingered chords, just learn triads in various positions across the neck, both vertically (i.e., 1rst to 6th strings) and horizontally (down the fretboard). The root, 3rd & 5th will get you through most major, minor, dim & aug chords you'll need, and it doesn't take much to suggest 7ths etc after that
to me, it's also the secret to playing surf lead guitar, but that's a whole other story...
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tahitijack
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San Clemente, CA
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Posted on Jan 01 2007 02:12 PM
Aside from Django there are thousands of musicians that found a way to work around their so call handicap. Aside from hand trouble the loss of vision did not stop Ray Charles, Stevie Wonder, Jose Faliciano, Dian Shure, Ronnie Milsap, George Shering and a band of others. I can not imagine how hard it is to learn to play without being able to see a keyboard, or fretboard. They are an inspiration to us all to keep working around our own weaknesses and handicaps.
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WR
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netherlands
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Posted on Jan 01 2007 02:31 PM
hell, beethoven got deaf and continued.
I'd go with simple triads b/g/d string based on E and Em shapes, powerchords, and mini-barres,. throw in some rockabilly style one fret-slides, and you'll be turning your weakness into your strenght! it also will be far easier to navigate around chords once you find a bassplayer, or record basslines to play along with.
fwiw, I think leadguitar is a lot easier with a disfunctional pinky then rhythm, so keep diggin' into that too.
WR
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bigtikidude
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Posted on Jan 01 2007 07:59 PM
here is a doc about Django
http://youtube.com/watch?v=a6U2tSVDtGk&mode=related&search=
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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IronMaiden
Joined: Nov 02, 2006
Posts: 564
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Jan 01 2007 08:10 PM
I seen a guy in San Francisco play guitar with NO hands...For real, he had a slide duct taped to his stump. He wasnt all that good but then again he was drunk.
This might be obvious but a lot of people play chords with the thumb fretting the root note on the low E ala Hendrix et al...Ususally this is done to free up the pinky for trills. Once you get used to it its really easy.
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JetBlue
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Posts: 746
Cool, CA
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Posted on Jan 02 2007 10:20 AM
WR
I'd go with simple triads...
You can go a long way with triads, especially in surf where extended chords (7th, 9th, etc) are not as common. IMO, a triad sounds better in most cases than a chord with duplicated notes in it. Triads just sound cleaner and more articulate to me.
— Don
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