...I was just listening to "Gatecrasher" by the Atlantics on www.live365.com...
....it seems like the Atlantics might have influenced the Space Cossacks' sound...uncanny!
...especially the lead guitar tones: very Ivan-esque!
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california 
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 11:37 AM
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 1338 Escondido, CA
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 02:23 PM
Dave, you're kidding, right? |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 02:25 PM
...actually I think the Atlantics ripped off the Space Cossacks... Since Ivan will read this. The amazon.com review says you were clearly influence by the guitar noise of My Bloody Valentine, is this true? |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19319 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 02:34 PM
The Space Cossacks covered several songs by The Atlantics (Bombora, The Crusher.....)...they were a huge influence on that band! —Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 02:52 PM
ran, seriously...i guess the connection really didn't sink in 'til today...also i am kind of new to the Atlantics...i've only been listening to their stuff for a few months... well, it's good to know that what I was hearing was really there... -dp |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 04:41 PM
Hey all; I think pretty much everything has been answered by others! Yes, the Atlantics were a HUGE influence on me. They really inspired me to start the Space Cossacks, by showing me the way in which I could combine my love of the Shadows and trad surf music while still rocking like a mofo - and be somewhat experimental in my sonic approach rather than just slavishly copying. They were just an inspiration at every level - and still continue to be (which is why my avatar is a photo of the Atlantics - didn't pick up on that, DP?). In the Space Cossacks we recorded four Atlantics songs: Bombora, The Crusher, War Of The Worlds and Shark Attack. In the Madeira we recorded Express To Baghdad and live occasionally do Giant (as well as War Of The Worlds a couple of times). We're working on another Atlantics song currently. I should mention that Gatecrasher is from one of the newer Atlantics albums with Martin Cilla on lead, and I was not influenced by that stuff whatsoever. Though I think the new albums are pretty good, they're a far cry from the brilliance that they exhibited in the sixties. Finally, regarding My Bloody Valentine. Just prior to the Space Cossacks I was in a band that played that sort of 'shoegazing' music. Between '90 and '94 I was really into that stuff, Ride, Lush, Slowdive, Catherine Wheel, Swervedriver, etc. It was Art B.'s (of MuSick) idea to send out a press release talking about MBV, though realistically I don't think they in any way influenced my songwriting or playing in the Space Cossacks (though, who knows, subconsciously...). I really saw the Cossacks as combining the influences of the Atlantics, the "In Space"-era Ventures and Dick Dale (with some Shadows thrown in), and was trying to remain pretty faithful to those influences, rather than throwing in any modern elements. Well, anyway, blah blah blah. There you go, you asked. Ivan —Ivan |
Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25630 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 06:53 PM
DP, Jeff(bigtikidude) —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 07:20 PM
Dave, your ears were not misleading you...I was just surprised you didn't come across this before (especially since old Atlantics stuff from YouTube was posted here). Well, enjoy The (old) Atlantics... |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on Dec 21 2006 11:00 PM
ran: yeah, I just didn't put two and two together...it's funny how sometimes you simply don't hear something 'til you hear it ...like someone else wrote: I was thinking to myself: "...man,those Atlantics fellows sound an awful lot like the Cossacks!..." |
Joined: Apr 25, 2006 Posts: 84 SLC, UT
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Posted on Dec 22 2006 11:33 AM
Since the Space Cossacks are duly noted once again on this forum, I should mention that Apes of Wrath was played on XM Fungus (Kowabunga Uber Alles) this morning. Ivan must be raking in the royalties! Certainly enough for a new set of strings! Rev. — |
Joined: Aug 24, 2006 Posts: 204 Newcastle... Australia
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Posted on Dec 27 2006 06:36 AM
Ivan, i am a big atlanics fan, got bombora on vinyl 33 & 45... i have not heard your bands but i would love to hear any band influenced by the atlantics!!!....peter hood's drumming is insane, when i put a new band together i'm gonna test the drummers out on bombora instead of wipeout.... so where does one find a cd of space cossacks?? adam |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 27 2006 09:07 AM
Hello Adam - we're a definitely of the same mind! Anyway, the easiest place to get the Space Cossacks is on Amazon.com. They carry our best-of compilation ("Never Mind The Bolsheviks") priced pretty reasonably. An eBay store called Movie Dogpound has two copies for about $9. Our first two CDs are out of print now and can still be found used on Amazon, but go for a bit of money (the first one, "Interstellar Stomp," usually more than the second one, "Tsar Wars," about $30 vs. $20 or so). But they pop up on eBay for much less. The debut CD by my current band the Madeira, "Sandstorm," has "Express To Bagdad" on it, plus at least three other songs heavily influenced by the Atlantics ("Rogue Wave", "Ricochet" and "Across The Dunes"). You can get that one direct from Double Crown Records for $12.75. You can also get to hear all of "Rogue Wave" for free on our website. Check it out. I hope you pick up some of this, and that you like it. Best regards, Ivan |
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Posted on Dec 27 2006 09:27 AM
Ivan, how likely is it that these will ever be reissued again? ( not untill bolshevists is sold out?) WR —Rules to live by #314: |
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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 10331 southern Michigan
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Posted on Dec 27 2006 09:34 AM
Wannes, the basic answer is - I have no idea. The recordings are owned by MuSick, so it's completely up to Art B. whether he wants to reissue the albums or not. I'd say it's unlikely, but who knows? Ivan —Ivan |
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