paulywally
Joined: Dec 04, 2006
Posts: 3
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 05:35 AM
Hey everyone. Im from So-cal right near the beach (ventura) and i have to say, I get a lot of inspiration from that.
But when I hear of surf bands from areas like, the east or whatever, especially if they don't even live near an ocean! Then i cant help but be a little pregidous! Do you guys know what I mean? It just always seemed to me surf music is first off indebted to the lifestyle of surfing in general. So to be true you have to be a part of that, otherwise you are just an imitator.
It's like playing Cajun music but not living or being born anywhere near Louisiana! You can play it all you want, and be good at it! But your soul isnt there! know what i mean?
hahaha. hope this doesnt come off sounding too jerky, dunno how many of you are from So-Cal!
But of course, I love surf music from anyone, just happen to get a little more respect if they are actually cali or hawaii surfer types.
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WR
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3832
netherlands
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 05:44 AM
to quote Zappa, "Blue men can't play the whites".
Ill leave it at that for now ... 
WR
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11060
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 08:05 AM
Welcome to the group PaulyWally,
If it's your intention to alienate yourself from 95% of the people on this group, then you did a fine job.:wink: However, If you didn't, and I don't think that's really what you meant to do, you may want to keep your future posts a little more keeping in the spirit of comraderie that we instro-surf fans and musicians enjoy.
It is the opinion of many of us that it's unfortunate the genre is labeled surf. We all agree that at least 90% of us have never touched a surfboard. But that's the name it got stuck with, and we love the music, so that's just how it has to be.
Are you a musician or a fan? We welcome both. If a musician, why not post something on the downloads page so we can appreciate some indigenous surf music. If a fan, check out how our member submitted 2006 comp is shaping up.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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butchdelux
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 250
Port Fierce, Florida
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 09:25 AM
Ok, now I'm totally confused.
I'm Cajun, and I play surf, but no zydeco...should I switch genres? How does an accordion sound through a reverb tank anyways...?  
— The Disasternauts
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1500
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 10:45 AM
Welcome to SURF GUITAR 101 paulywally.
Now, that said, I am in complete alingment with what Danny had to say.
Joel 
ps. I spent many a lost youth days in the waters of the SoCal beaches, and I'm not to far from them now. I've even played in the cold waters where you are. My surf board was cool and it did inspire a song or two. But so did my Prindel Catamaran. I've been to Hawaii, and the South China sea beaches. So I guess I could be considered a qualified surf music writer and player according to your rules.
But we're talking MUSIC here. Not Surfing, and there are many great land locked surf music players that I bow down to.
To say that you have to surf to play surf music is like saying that one has to be a cow in order to enjoy a hamburger.
It don't add up dude... 
Last edited: Dec 12, 2006 11:03:12
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25630
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 10:49 AM
I'm from So. Cal. and a major Fan, and a hack of a performe, of surf music.
although I slightly agree with Paully Wally.
I wouldn't say its neccisarry to live here to be a great surf band.
Many of the bands I love are no where near here.
and even in the 60's 2 of the best surf bands wer ein the midwest.
Astronauts , and The Trashmen, so that theory goes right out the
window, and holds no water( pun slightly intended).
Plus most surfers don't listen to surf music, so there is no loyalty
to be true to on thier part either, so there you have it.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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surfneptune
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 923
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 11:31 AM
The Friendliest crowds I have met are in Southern California. Even after they hear we are from Fresno. That being said,
I was born in 1960, so when I heard wipeout for the first time on radio, it had been around for a while. So really I have no soul for tradional surf. I was not there. There is the context of the music that I am barely aware of, and if you are younger than I you probably have even less of a sense of what that era was really like. If you want to look for pedigreee, then look to the first wavers. THat is a FAR stronger connection to that original surf sound than WHERE you live. If we play that sound, and we weren't around... we are posers.
That's my two cents, either you will go down in flames, or stick around and get a sense of the vibe of this instro genre, and get a sense of the many children and cousins that fall from the tree of reverb.
— THe NEpTuNeS
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1618
Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 12:49 PM
I think surf as a genre has evolved beyond being strictly attached and indebted to surf culture, and so the best source of inspiration is really whatever you choose it to be (the music itself might be a good starting point). The bands and fans here are united by a common love for a genre, not a locale. So celebrate with us and welcome aboard.
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bots
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
Posts: 290
Shwa City
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 04:31 PM
I live near a lake does that count? Canadians like to surf but in canoes!
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25630
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 07:52 PM
also I forgot to mention,
Over the years I have met a few old time surfers who surfed in the
40's and 50's. and they said that most of them were more like the Beatniks, and listened to Jazz, instead of rock.
When the surf bands came along, they viewed them as trying to cash in on the surf craze, just like the lame Frankie and Annette movies.
not my opinions, just retelling what I have heard from some old surf dudes.
Jeff(bigtikidude)
— Jeff(bigtikidude)
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Anonymous
Joined: Nov 10, 2000
Posts: -180
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Posted on Dec 12 2006 08:31 PM
oh buddy. i be half cajun in the bloodline and i don't play zydeco--don't even like it! i seem to remember that old surf guys were not into surf music at all--they were more like pre-hippie beatnit types. i knew someof those guys! i came along when surf music was just getting started and found it in socal, in hawaii, in okinawa, in the carolinas and in virginia! then i saw great surf bands comingout of the midwest. now, the stuff is allover hell. the ventures were like gods in japan. living near the beach may help, but its the spirit of surf that gets it around. i guess i should like country sincei live in arkansas--news is i can't stand the shit. you need to reconsider your thoughts on this subject. and yes i go surfingonce a year or so in florida--and they ain't got no damn surf music in the stores!!! glad to see you in the group  peace
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pointbreakspy
Joined: Aug 24, 2006
Posts: 204
Newcastle... Australia
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Posted on Dec 14 2006 06:40 AM
Wal,
I live on the east coast of Australia, been surfin' from age of 12 to now 37, and the surf movies i grew up on in the 80's and 90's were totally devoid of reverb, the only time you hear surf music is at the start of the surf report at 7am and 4pm every day...10 seconds of it!...plus 30 seconds of it for a commercial for a local surf shop, none of my surfing mates listen to surf guitar...even my guitar playing mates, they're into blues or jack johnson or whatever is good with much pot.
We had a very popular band in Australia in the 60's called the Atlantics, they were raised in close proximity to the beach but they were all of ethnic backgrounds and did not surf,and normally would have been excluded from the beach culture, but they were huge in australia and are still close to many peoples hearts.
I know there is great surf in Spain..but do the Los Coronas surf? What about in Croatia? Finland(gotta be good surf music coming out of FINland!!!) Sweden ? One of the great things about instrumental music is the fact that it is a universal art form that is still evolving, and that the language barrier does not effect it.(except all the spanish reference in song titles)
all the best
adam
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Fez
Joined: Mar 22, 2006
Posts: 197
Florida
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Posted on Dec 14 2006 07:02 AM
paulywally
You can play it all you want, and be good at it! But your soul isnt there! know what i mean?
I don't really know what you mean... Is this one of those comments like "white people can't play the blues?"
Get over it dude...
Anyway... It really doesn't matter... I'm in Florida, "Death Metal Capital of the World", and we have no souls here anyway...
Cheers!
Fez
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ConcreteSurfer
Joined: Dec 14, 2006
Posts: 117
Covina, CA.
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Posted on Dec 17 2006 07:49 PM
Well Pauly, Looks you may have got more than you asked for!!!! It happens! You know it really doesn't matter where your at in the world or if you ever even stepped on a surfboard! I use to skateboard professionally, so I did all of my surfin ala pools, ramps, pipes, banks.....you get the picture. Ever since I picked up the guitar, my attention was immediately focused on surf/instrumental guitar! I have always been drawn to the energy, freedom, and emotion that it so readily captivates. I play in a "surf" band which is located in SoCal but miles inland from the beach, and even so, I fell we manage to do justice in terms of capturing the "Surf Sound"(thats a broad spectrum). Hey , grab up a bunch of surf bands from all over and have em stand behind a curtain and play. Bet you couldn't tell where there from or if they've ever put their toes to the nose!
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25630
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 17 2006 08:20 PM
Hey Concrete surfer, what is your bands name, and where in So. Cal.
are you located?
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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ConcreteSurfer
Joined: Dec 14, 2006
Posts: 117
Covina, CA.
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Posted on Dec 19 2006 07:42 PM
I play with Wave Invasion. And yes were way east of Sepulveda!. I live out in San Dimas!
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WaimeaBay
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
Posts: 969
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Posted on Dec 19 2006 08:22 PM
i can't really say if being close to the ocean makes for better surf appreciation. All I can say is that being land locked must be kinda stinky, especially if your are into surf.
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windmill
Joined: Mar 22, 2006
Posts: 269
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Posted on Dec 23 2006 05:53 PM
Crikey, I don't even like the sea, it just makes a change from looking at dirt and rocks and trees.
Not only is my guitar playing secondrate the music I play is second rate as well. Talk about being found out !!
Sorry Pauley you will have to put up with my "freshwater surf guitar rock" if you ever come up my way.
It's a state of mind ;)
— Freshwater Surfin'
The Murray Basin
Australia
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25630
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Dec 23 2006 06:48 PM
yet another person talking about where they are from, yet when you look below their avatar to see where they are referring to, it doesn't say where they live.
Go figure 
Jeff(bigtikidude)
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IronMaiden
Joined: Nov 02, 2006
Posts: 564
Virginia Beach
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Posted on Dec 23 2006 07:59 PM
paulywally
But of course, I love surf music from anyone, just happen to get a little more respect if they are actually cali or hawaii surfer types.
I only respect surf bands from Indonesia.
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