Do you know when it started, who started it and why they choose it ??????
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SurfGuitar101 Forums » Surf Music General Discussion »
Can you tell the story of the Surfer's Cross...
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Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 23 Edmonton Alberta 
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Posted on Dec 06 2006 06:44 PM
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Joined: Mar 15, 2006 Posts: 1487 San Francisco
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Posted on Dec 06 2006 08:17 PM
Dick Dale invented it. Right after he invented such useful innovations as the guitar, the electric light, sliced bread, and his greatest achievement: Jimmy Dale. Sorry, I couldn't help. Seriously, there are a LOT of sources (some on this site, some elsewhere on the web, and a handful in print) that will give you a VERY concise history. ~B~ |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2309 Stockholm, Sweden 
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 09:30 AM
There has been some recent discussions on the subject over at the GaragePunk.com forums, although not much on the surf connection I'm afraid. |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2309 Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 09:32 AM
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco 
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 11:49 AM
Since no one has posted any factual information, I'll tell ya the fuzzy memories I have of something that was posted on Cowabunga years ago. The story went that a lot, or atleast some of the first surfers (and motorcycle gang members) were WWII vets. During the war they had taken the Iron Cross off the German soldiers as a point of pride. They displayed the Iron Cross to show that they had won the war, not as any allegiance to the Nazis, but that remains a great point of confusion for the general public. Sounds logical anyway... Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 11:52 AM
Read the Wikipedia article it makes more sense. I should have just looked at there first.... Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 3546 mojave desert, california
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 12:00 PM
^ the Wikipedia version mentioned above is the way I always heard it... sporting WWII Nazi Gear DIDN'T mean you were a Nazi back then... rather, it meant you were an "outlaw hardcore biker gangster rock-n-roll surfer" type of rebel...you know sort of like the punks/mods of the late 70s early 80s... military gear as rebel-statement... -dp |
Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19321 Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Dec 07 2006 12:16 PM
I would also like to think that the Iron Cross, as a symbol of bravery, factored into it somehow. You had to be pretty brave to surf some of those waves after all. Remember that the Iron Cross as a German war medal predates the Nazis, and the design goes even farther back to medieval times. I suspect it leeched into surfer culture from the custom car / hot rod scene...but I am just speculating. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_cross Site dude - S3 Agent #202 "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea |
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Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 23 Edmonton Alberta
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Posted on Dec 08 2006 01:18 AM
francois, now it is again common to see the symbol in logos for choppers and bands as a fuck you!! to the mainstream. —Please dont be shy to share your stuff I love new songs! |
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Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 23 Edmonton Alberta
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Posted on Dec 08 2006 01:23 AM
...Thank you all, to participate and try to get the story clear, Awsome !!! Please dont be shy to share your stuff I love new songs! |
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Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 2309 Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted on Dec 08 2006 04:44 AM
Here's a direct link to that article. The vogue started with California's Hell's Angels, whose motorcycle brigades also like to sport Nazi swastikas (TIME, Jan. 21). Then it spread to surfers, who began exchanging their St. Christopher medals for Iron Cross pendants (now sold as his-and-her pairs, charm bracelets and even earrings). Soon landlocked emulators across the U.S. took up the fad. Explains Chicago's Walter Wagner, 17: "I'd like to be a surfer, but you can't do much on Lake Michigan. If you can't surf and you can't have a board, at least you can have something."
Unfortunately the symbol has now become part of the mainstream itself... — |
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Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 23 Edmonton Alberta
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Posted on Dec 08 2006 09:33 AM
www2.prestel.co.uk/church/oosj/cross.htm —Please dont be shy to share your stuff I love new songs! |
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Joined: Dec 05, 2006 Posts: 23 Edmonton Alberta
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Posted on Dec 08 2006 09:41 AM
Holy shit the link who gave me Vaughn and not Vaught Sorry for the mistake above.... So THAT LINK HIS A HISTORICAL CLASS ON THE ORIGINE...Very Very Very interesting! THANK YOU TO VAUGHN FROM THE VON HODAD....GRACIAS, MERCI, THANK, .... —Please dont be shy to share your stuff I love new songs! |
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