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WhorehayRFB
Totally diggin' this thread. This is SG101 at its best, IMO.

I agree.

And "409" is one of the best ever. Imagine a song on the radio now called "3.1 litre overhead cam V6"

A hit song about an engine displacement!!!!!

I love hot rod surf with those open header dragstip soundeffects.

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There is a ton of modern Hot Rod Music. It is just a bunch of hip hop artists rapping about their souped up cars and how fast they go.

JakeDobner
There is a ton of modern Hot Rod Music. It is just a bunch of hip hop artists rapping about their souped up cars and how fast they go.

OK maybe this is a derail but name one song.

Storm Surge of Reverb: Surf & Instro Radio

Hi George,
I see you rumbled in from the HAMB:>,welcome to SG101.
The only band i can think is The Superstocks, Gary Usher
bridged the gap between surf/hot rod quite well. Also the
Pyronauts play at Billetproof every year it seems(very enjoyable)
I enjoy the old car scene and cars in general,but i only want to
hear surf music in my head:>.

in weekend mode already:>
gary

ElMonstroPorFavor

JakeDobner
There is a ton of modern Hot Rod Music. It is just a bunch of hip hop artists rapping about their souped up cars and how fast they go.

OK maybe this is a derail but name one song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gG8rCMVmnl8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvNExZvswdo

I found these two in seconds, I know from experience that there are a ton more. And they are all equally inane. Yet really spiritually no different from the Beach Boys or whoever singing about cars. If anything hip hop artists mean it tenfold. They are not old cars, but the idea is the same. Make them really fast, retrofit the cars to increase performance and make them flashy. Sound like anything you know? And a lot of times it is done with older cars, just they don't paint them in a ugly lime green and then paint their guitar in the same color to be just like Brian Setzer. I think I'd rather be in hip hop culture(which is one of the worst cultures on the planet).

Klas

shivers13
Some good examples are Gene "The Draggin' King" Moles tune "Burning Rubber" and The New Dimensions "Chicky Run"

Excellent examples. Both are among my all time favorite instro tunes, any genre.

Here's "Burnin' Rubber": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyP1A2jwx4E

Im not familiar with Hot Rod music at all. And honestly I didn't even know there was a difference between that and surf music. I just thought it was surf but with car noises and all that junk. Although, I never thought of The Dragsters album as hot rod music because of the car clips. I always related it to surf, but I guess that's what confused me about Hot Rod music.

A lot of what you fellas said pretty much explains it. I did hear that Astronauts album "Competition Coupe" a while ago. But can't remember any of the songs. This Gene Moles tune is pretty sick though. I dig it! Thanks for the link. Finally something interesting to read on this forum :lol:.

The Deadbeats

Other nice hot rod examples on cd are

  1. Sundazed Surf n Drag Vols 1 & 2, with Go Go GTO by Carol & Cheryl, GeeTOTiger by the Tigers, Beach Buggy by the Shutdowns
  2. Paul Revere & the Raiders did a couple groovy car numbers like Judge GTO Breakaway , Corvair Baby on a 2 cd anthology.
  3. Rip chords "Gas Money", "Old car made in '52"

One I don't like is the Darts "Hollywood Drag". It is a drag.

I started collecting old surf LPs this year & saw an old LP with a power boat theme , similarly packaged like a hot rod LP of that period.

So, how is the slot car LP(s) ? Has anyone heard it & have an opinion ?

JakeDobner
There is a ton of modern Hot Rod Music. It is just a bunch of hip hop artists rapping about their souped up cars and how fast they go.

They're almost never about how fast they go. Anyway, I don't want to go down this road but any time the "RAP IS DUMB" argument appears out of nowhere on these boards I have to groan. It's a form of music, if people enjoy it, it's valid. Here we are talking about the tiniest niche of rock, and yet we selectively whine about the surface level of rap when there's horrible horrible rock equally worth complaining about. If anything a surf fan should know that there's considerable depth and variety to any kind of music.

Storm Surge of Reverb: Surf & Instro Radio

They do indeed talk about how fast they go... I watch a lot of rap videos just for fun(in the same way I saw Twilight in the theatre).

But the majority of rap is actually quite dumb. It is complete inanity, the lack of complete sentences, let alone complete thoughts is mind boggling. There is some good hip-hop out there, but it is few and far between. I would presume if you took music critics and gave them their favorite broad genre to review you would have the same % of favorable and negative reviews.

JakeDobner
But the majority of rap is actually quite dumb. It is complete inanity, the lack of complete sentences, let alone complete thoughts is mind boggling.

This could also describe much of the best rock and roll . . .

JC

revhank
I saw a copy of the Revells the Go Sounds of the Slots at my local record store. Anyone have it? Should I pick this one up?

Original pressings of this record are very valued items. I would buy it without thinking it a second if the price is good! It is a great deal if you like this type of Gary Usher´s recordings. It is very similar to the Hondells´ two previous LPs, with Chuck Girard on lead vocals and Richie (Allen) Podolor on guitar.

Dave_leDude
So, how is the slot car LP(s) ? Has anyone heard it & have an opinion ?

I agree with what JC said, most of it really sounds like the Hondells and some of the tracks are even Hondells ones retitled with new lyrics. Great stuff although I'm not a fan of the singing provided by Joe Kelly but luckily most of the tracks have Chuck Girard on lead. I have the now out of print Sundazed CD which includes two bonus tracks by the Wheel Men which was another Usher project. The original LP only had 10 tracks and I've seen nice copies go for over $100.

T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S

Same here, Klas. The better vocal stuff is with Chuck Girard on lead vocal. As you mentioned, The Revells are basically the same group of guys that were used for The Hondells, and also The Sunsets, The Competitors, The Go-Go's, The Devon's and others. Some of this stuff can be hit and miss just like in any genre of music, but there's some serious gems in there, without a doubt!

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Dave_leDude
2. Paul Revere & the Raiders did a couple groovy car numbers like Judge GTO Breakaway , Corvair Baby on a 2 cd anthology.

"SS 396" is my favorite of theirs.

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

I have said it before and will say it again, considering some of the box sets that Bear Family has done and other labels and the treatment some minor stars have been given if anybody really deserves a good box set covering all they did it would be Gary Usher.

Me, I am always more of a hot rod than surf guy for no other reason than I am into cars big time.

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Sounds cool to me, Merc. I wish they would let me pick the songs! That would be a dream come true.

A few months ago The Peterson Auto Museum had a display of Hot Rod Album covers. Thought you guys would dig this pic I took...

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shivers13
Sounds cool to me, Merc. I wish they would let me pick the songs! That would be a dream come true.

A few months ago The Peterson Auto Museum had a display of Hot Rod Album covers. Thought you guys would dig this pic I took...

image

Sometimes when I see other peoples' records I think "that belongs in a museum"
Then when I see it in a museum I think "that belongs with me"

Storm Surge of Reverb: Surf & Instro Radio

Funny you should say that. It's actually a quest of mine to own as many of these as possible. I'm closing in.

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shivers13
It's actually a quest of mine to own as many of these as possible. I'm closing in.

I've got that Girlschool LP if you need it. Very Happy

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

CaptainSpringfield

shivers13
It's actually a quest of mine to own as many of these as possible. I'm closing in.

I've got that Girlschool LP if you need it. Very Happy

Awesome but I prefer The Runaways car song... "California Paradise". "The kids are ripping up the streets in their super cars".

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I guess I should have elaborated a bit - I just don't see a defining musical characteristic that sets hot rod instros apart from regular surf. Not in the same way as spy or space-themed surf, or (as much as I can't stand the style) spaghetti western.

If you want to define it as surf, only riff-based with less reverb, more of a R&B feel, more emphasis on horns and pianos, and a lack of Middle Eastern or Spanish melodies, the only problem I see with that is ... well, that also defines a lot of non-hot rod studio surf projects. Take off the cover songs from each, and musically how much difference is there between Jerry Cole's surf albums and his hot rod ones? Same with the T-Bones.

Strip off the sound effects and that slot-car themed Phantom Surfers album is the same musically as the instros on With Dick Dale or 18 Deadly Ones. Same with the Volcanos' Finish Line Fever - musically, that one's not that far removed from their Surf Quake album.

Or take the Hondells - the main guitar lead on "Haulin' Honda" is very similar to the one from The Ghouls' "Voodoo Juice." (Hardly the first case of Richie Podolar's self-recycling.) When I listen to the Ghouls' album I don't think "There's a ringer on there that belongs on a hot rod album." "Haulin' Honda" and "Black Boots and Bikes" are two of my favorite surf songs, period - but I don't see what makes them hot rod tunes apart from the titles and samples.

The first time I heard "The Wedge" was on Dick Dale's best-of. I never _thought of it as a hot rod instro, and figured he named it after the surfing spot. Hell, even after buying _Mr. Eliminator and hearing it in the context of that album, I still don't think of it as a hot rod song. (And then there's the "This is a song about where I live" intro on The Tiger's Loose ...)

I've never heard a song with a surf-related title and thought, "Man, that sounds like a hot rod song." But that has happened with spy and space-oriented surf songs, and even - bleah - spaghetti western ones.

Just my $0.02.

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

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