Tuck
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Denver, CO
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Posted on Jul 30 2010 11:47 AM
Three guys from the Bloody Fives garage band in Denver, Colorado, doing an instrumental set. Instrumental, but not canonical surf. More like a garage band playing around with its roots.
Get Carter Theme from the Michael Caine movie. I guess I missed this one.
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bluez
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Norway
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Posted on Jul 31 2010 05:43 AM
Nice, i can hear a lot of surf in there
A little of the topic.
I am speculating on what type of microphone has been used her. On my Kodak zi8 i am getting always getting a sound not unlike this.
Weak bass and protruding cymbals. Using an external microphone during live recordings is a huge advantage. I bought an Audio technica pro 24 cm, huge difference.
There are some demos on youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NsLK3dIxTg
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Brian
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Posted on Jul 31 2010 11:05 AM
Laika & The Cosmonauts also play a version of "Get Carter". You can hear it on their phenomenal live "Laika Sex Machine" album.
bluez, that's interesting. I just bought a Kodak zi8 and am considering getting an external mic also.
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bluez
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Posted on Jul 31 2010 02:33 PM
Brian
Laika & The Cosmonauts also play a version of "Get Carter". You can hear it on their phenomenal live "Laika Sex Machine" album.
bluez, that's interesting. I just bought a Kodak zi8 and am considering getting an external mic also.
You should try the Audio technica pro 24. I bought this little stereo mic on ebay for around 65$. It uses a small clock battery as a power source.
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Brian
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Posted on Aug 01 2010 05:19 PM
Sorry,
bluez
You should try the Audio technica pro 24. I bought this little stereo mic on ebay for around 65$. It uses a small clock battery as a power source.
What do you attach the mic to? Or do you just carry it?
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bluez
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Posted on Aug 01 2010 06:11 PM
Brian
What do you attach the mic to? Or do you just carry it?
I am attaching the Kodak to a bar meant for attaching larger flash units to cameras. Not unlike this one :
The mic itself is attached with a ruber band on the side of the bar.
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Tuck
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Posted on Aug 02 2010 09:58 AM
bluez
I am speculating on what type of microphone has been used here. On my Kodak zi8 i am getting always getting a sound not unlike this. Weak bass and protruding cymbals. Using an external microphone during live recordings is a huge advantage. I bought an Audio technica pro 24 cm, huge difference.
Speculate no longer. I will reveal all. I definitely appreciate that suggestion. This was made with a Sony HDR-HC9 on automatic volume settings, and a little ECM-HST1 boot-mounted external mic on 120 deg. aperture.
Your description of the resulting sound problems is spot on. I'm still mildly pleased that it's not as bad as what I got with a digital camera, but I am far from happy. In fact I am morbidly depressed.
So, anyway, the mic actually is "external" but inexpensive. I think the main advantage over the internal mic is that it is not tunneling in on only the camera line. I am not sure that the "automatic" volume setting is wise, but when I've tried setting it manually it seems to peak a lot and it's muted when not peaking. It seems to work better almost when things are hideously loud.
The prominence of various instruments may be partly determined by how I aim, but that has to be determined by the layout of the band. In this case I had to be right on top of them, and the only way to get them all into a single shot was to stand on the bench of a booth and aim down.
I suppose the next step is along a route like (a) better camera, etc. all around, or (b) better separate mic or (c) just sigh and leave it to the occasional wandering professional. I have noticed that the professionals have disadvantages, too. They don't know what to expect out of the band and are usually fiddling with their hardware or girlfriend when it happens, or they are just plain gone by the time things get hot. And the gone thing - they sure keep bankers hours. They are usually only there for a few minutes or at most one set and then leave.
It's kind of depressing, really, trying to do a decent video of a band in a bar. Sometimes it seems like I am just taking the usual issues with lousy lighting and amateur shooting and adding a bad sound recording to round things out. Plus it's hard to really listen to stuff while you're screwing around with a camera and trying keep it aimed. I think constantly of just packing it in and leaving everything at home. However, when I try that it leaves a sort of empty feeling.
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bluez
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Posted on Aug 02 2010 05:33 PM
Getting good recordings on live preference isn't easy. But i still think you did a good job. And i hope for God sake you want stop doing it . I was asked a year ago to do a recording of a local band. So i packed to DVR's . It was relatively dark in the room so i had to use the best low light camera i had (fuji s2000HD) unfortunately it has no external microphone input and records in mono. The sound engineer had a DAT that he had hooked up to the mixer. I was planing on synchronising this with my video. To my big horror the recording done through the mixer sounded lousy. So i ended up using the mono in camera recording. Well i gave it to them and said, this is what i got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj__7nnoiMM&feature=player_embedded#!
Their answer? Well they ware positively surprised, "because live recordings is so hard to do" they said. I think live videos are so fun to make, even if most of my recordings are very amateurish. It's nice to exprimenting and try new stuff. I recently bought a Sony recorder like this :
It can tolerate high sound levels and sands very good. I got the best result by putting it close to the band. I plan on synchronising afterwards with the DVR. One day i will get it right
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Tuck
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Denver, CO
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Posted on Aug 02 2010 10:23 PM
Bluez, I really, really appreciate your discussion of this. I am operating in a total vacuum and no one seems to have a clue what to do except MUCH better equipment. That's not going to happen. What I'd like to do would be to impose on somebody's practice - fly on the wall - and just try one combination after another under relatively controlled conditions until I find what works. It probably varies with the place and the volume, though. I could experiment during a show, but I hate to tell someone later, "Um, sorry. Your experiment was a failure." Easier to just say, "Mediocre again."
That sample is not so bad. I can see why they were pleased. More bassy for sure. And the image actually has some color. It's always nice when there's a light and it's not a dim red or blue one drectly behind someone's head.
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Tuck
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Denver, CO
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Posted on Oct 25 2010 01:34 PM
Another one from Brian Fausett (guitar) & the Hester Brothers (Kevin - bass, Hesh - drums) in Denver. This combo is subset of the Bloody Fives garage band. I came in on the band late after seeing the Royal Aces downtown, and I was told I had missed a dynamite instrumental from the whole band earlier of something from the short exploitation film Motor Vixens, being put together in Denver by Mike Olafson. (I think what I missed is what is extracted in the background of the trailer at the link for MV.)
Anyway I was about to leave after the regular set ended, and I hadn't quite made it out the door when this started. I did a 180 and reassembled my camera in record time. They did the same set as the first time I heard them. They did this number that time, too, but I ran out of tape in the middle of it. I actually got an overlapping recording from where I realized I was almost out of tape using my digital camera, but I have never tried to see if I could piece those together into something semi-usable. I'm pretty sure this way is better!
4 Track
I believe 4 Track is Brian's.
The crowd sounds are interesting. Not as such, but because I have noticed that other people videotaping in this bar experience the same thing, even with different equipment. So, it's not omnidirectional mics. I was definitely using an ECM-HST1 external mic, directional adjustable, set on 120 degree aperture. A little wide for this, but not aimed at the crowd around the bar. It's something about the acoustics of the place. It has low ceilings and lots of hard surfaces, so maybe there's a lot of reflected sound.
P.S. A couple more.
The Rumble
Get Carter
The Get Carter is the version from the second show.
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DaveF
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Green Valley, AZ
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Posted on Dec 03 2010 10:24 PM
There is a Leave it to Beaver episode where the Beev joins a gang called the Bloody 5. They would not let Larry Mondello in the group because he was a dork & didn't like surf music.
Is the Beev still in the Bloody 5 ?
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Tuck
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Posted on Dec 06 2010 09:51 AM
Nice catch. No Beev in the group, but I believe that's the origin of the band's name. I just saw them last night (with Manxx) at a place called the Star Bar, and the weekend before they were at the Rockaway with a non-surf instrumental band called Native Daughters. Native Daughters is the other half of post apocalyptic Get Three Coffins Ready, and the Rockaway in this case is a Denver dive, not to be confused with that beach on Long Island. In fact it is sort of the anti-beach. No B5 instrumental sets either time. They stuck to their main line of rock/blues/northern soul in a garage vein.* I think the instrumental set only occurs when they have the whole bill to themselves, if anyone's from the Greater Front Range Area and trying to suss out when they might see that. No guarantees on that deduction.
- This sounds like some kind of druggy code, but it's just colliding metaphors.
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Tuck
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Posted on Dec 28 2010 04:21 PM
The Bloody Fives instrumental project are now officially the Chan Plan, I believe. Brian Chan being Brian Fausett.
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