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JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:15 PM UmaFloresta Great videos. Mr. Barfield is one of those players that would produce fantastic tone with any guitar in his hands. Great guitar + great player = great sound. "Shitty" guitar + great player = even better sound. Or at least, "unique player". Too many people out there play too well, but not enough play something original or what is truly in their hearts. Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19308 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:20 PM UmaFloresta Brian UmaFloresta Three heavily reverberated guitars = sonic mess, anyway. Yeah the Astronauts had a real messy sound. I'm not sure if Robert was reverb'ed, but Satan's Pilgrims sounded pretty huge to me with 3 guitars. Do you have a specific tune in mind? For...? Have you heard any of the RCA produced Astronauts surf tracks? And SP was seeing them live, where they sounded incredible. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:26 PM Being in the studio and being live is completely different when it comes to guitars cutting through. Top
Richard Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 1683 Georgia	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:29 PM Those Cads videos are fantastic. Reminds me I need to learn to play some of these things... Edited because I forgot to add - I am more and more of the opinion as time goes by that you can play anything with anything if you want to. We all have a ball picking nits, but most of these guitars we talk about are for all practical purposes very similar. I own five guitars, which is four too many, and if you arbitrarily chose any one to let me keep and took away the other five, nobody would notice except me. — The Mystery Men? El Capitan and The Reluctant Sadists SSS Agent #31 Top
ColtsSurf Joined: Apr 03, 2008 Posts: 477	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:46 PM I've always thought that this was a nice version of Diamond Head on a Tele in a live band situation. However, the Tele is heavily modded and there are some pedals to achieve that tone. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqprWbq3haQ&feature=channel_page — Paul Top
Jetpack Joined: May 28, 2008 Posts: 333 Los Angeles	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:50 PM Richard, I tend to agree. Most bands I have seen live, surf-wise, have so much reverb (and good for them) the guitar tone becomes secondary. I hear TWNK from the strings and SPLAT from the amp. I have too many guitars too, but I justify it as a semi-hollow Ric 12 sounds different than a solidbody Strat, etc, but for bringing a single guitar to play a set with it could just as well be a Silvertone from Sears and the audience would think the same: "That was a great show!" or "Why the eff didn't anyone sing boy was that stupid." — www.jetpackband.com https://www.facebook.com/JetpackTheBand Top
JakeDobner Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 12159 Seattle	Posted on Jun 23 2010 08:54 PM Richard I am more and more of the opinion as time goes by that you can play anything with anything if you want to. We all have a ball picking nits, but most of these guitars we talk about are for all practical purposes very similar. I own five guitars, which is four too many, and if you arbitrarily chose any one to let me keep and took away the other five, nobody would notice except me. Good music will out. Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:14 PM Brian UmaFloresta Brian UmaFloresta Three heavily reverberated guitars = sonic mess, anyway. Yeah the Astronauts had a real messy sound. I'm not sure if Robert was reverb'ed, but Satan's Pilgrims sounded pretty huge to me with 3 guitars. Do you have a specific tune in mind? For...? Have you heard any of the RCA produced Astronauts surf tracks? And SP was seeing them live, where they sounded incredible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EO_pOYfsJk4&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHbcU5ArqBQ&feature=related Youtube doesn't have much in the way of Astronauts tunes, but on Firewater there's essentially two guitar parts, and on Baja the other guitars are backed off pretty far. I guess I was thinking of three up front guitar parts, all reverb drenched. Which isn't what's going on in these tracks. — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:20 PM Jetpack Richard, I tend to agree. Most bands I have seen live, surf-wise, have so much reverb (and good for them) the guitar tone becomes secondary. I hear TWNK from the strings and SPLAT from the amp. I have too many guitars too, but I justify it as a semi-hollow Ric 12 sounds different than a solidbody Strat, etc, but for bringing a single guitar to play a set with it could just as well be a Silvertone from Sears and the audience would think the same: "That was a great show!" or "Why the eff didn't anyone sing boy was that stupid." Yes, with typical reverb levels it really becomes difficult to distinguish one guitar model from another. — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:21 PM JakeDobner UmaFloresta Great videos. Mr. Barfield is one of those players that would produce fantastic tone with any guitar in his hands. Great guitar + great player = great sound. "Shitty" guitar + great player = even better sound. Or at least, "unique player". Too many people out there play too well, but not enough play something original or what is truly in their hearts. I tend to appreciate uniqueness over chops, too. — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19308 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:23 PM Uma, off-topic, but do yourself a favor and get the Bear Family records Surfin' With / Competition Coupe compilation. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:26 PM Brian Uma, off-topic, but do yourself a favor and get the Bear Family records Surfin' With / Competition Coupe compilation. Thanks for the heads up - I'll pick that up — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top
Icetech Joined: Dec 16, 2006 Posts: 892 Macomb Mich	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:31 PM you guys are killin me... now i want a tele and a jm:) I am a huge james burton fan (and fat elvis fan) And although having a paisley tele wont make me james.. it would make me happy for a day:) — I wanna play just like him when i grow up... Top
shivers13 Joined: Jul 29, 2009 Posts: 2605 Boss Angeles, CA	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:31 PM So Elliot from The Cars claims that guys like Jerry Cole played Tele's on thier surf session work. Claims like these is why so much erroneous information gets spread around. I doubt if I have to tell anyone on this forum what Jerry is playing here... — BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! www.facebook.com/BossFink www.doublecrownrecords.com Top
LHR Joined: Aug 23, 2006 Posts: 2123 The jungle	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:41 PM Norm: Haha! But I think one can easily glean from the original quote that Elliot Easton doesn't know shit. Oops. Can I use this kind of language? — SSIV Top
shivers13 Joined: Jul 29, 2009 Posts: 2605 Boss Angeles, CA	Posted on Jun 23 2010 09:44 PM Agreed! He just loves Tele's which is totally cool but to say they were widely used in surf music in the sixties is just plain wrong. — BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! www.facebook.com/BossFink www.doublecrownrecords.com Top
bigtikidude Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25603 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.	Posted on Jun 23 2010 10:23 PM UmaFloresta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edgLfJ2Kh4I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6S-5XgMt8 Excellent Tele surf tones I'm a Huge Cads Fan, Love love love them, But I wouldn't call that a surf tone. more spaghetti or, Eleki than surf. just saying........ — Jeff(bigtikidude) Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 10:29 PM bigtikidude UmaFloresta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edgLfJ2Kh4I http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dj6S-5XgMt8 Excellent Tele surf tones I'm a Huge Cads Fan, Love love love them, But I wouldn't call that a surf tone. more spaghetti or, Eleki than surf. just saying........ The base guitar tone is plenty surfy. It just lacks drip, which has nothing to do with the Tele. — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top
shivers13 Joined: Jul 29, 2009 Posts: 2605 Boss Angeles, CA	Posted on Jun 23 2010 10:29 PM Tele's are really twangy and great for country sounding stuff. That's why Barfield is using one on those tunes. They are more twangy country than surf. — BOSS FINK "R.P.M." available now from DOUBLE CROWN RECORDS! www.facebook.com/BossFink www.doublecrownrecords.com Top
DeadRanchHands Joined: Apr 15, 2008 Posts: 1281	Posted on Jun 23 2010 10:49 PM shivers13 Tele's are really twangy and great for country sounding stuff. That's why Barfield is using one on those tunes. They are more twangy country than surf. Neither of those clips was particularly twangy. Strats can do twangy pretty well, though, and I don't think anyone would say that it means they're not for surf. In certain situations a Jaguar can sound a lot like a Tele. IMO, a Tele is a better surf guitar than a Strat, if for no other reason than the middle position on the pickup switch, which you don't get in a Strat without some modification. — http://www.reverbnation.com/thedeadranchhands http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEW74mHjQk Top

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