HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
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Fresno, CA
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Posted on Oct 30 2006 10:09 AM
Hi All,
Hap here.
I will be starting a new double neck project and with so many asking asking all sorts of questions, I thought it would be time to start a thread on it. This won't be quick and may go on for a while but I'll do my best to post info as I go.
Let's get the one question everyone wanted to know. "How did you wire Big Red's switch?" I tried a neck switch on the body but found it took to long to make the switch and keep on playin'. So I went to a floor AB box (we'll talk later on the box). This solved alot of wiring issues and made it real simple to deal with.
The stock Fender switch is a two sided switch. It was a designed mostly for DC and audio switching like in early Radio. It comes with a signal OUT post and three signal IN post PRE SIDE . So three pickups on one side and three on the other with the two outputs go to the volume controls and tone controls with both sends going to a stereo output jack (tip,ring and sleave)
As an option a toggle switch could be added after the controls for neck swithching or before the controls to only one volume and one tone with a single send to the mono output jack.
Here's a link to a PDF file of what I wire into BIG RED rev 2. Later I took the tone controls out in Rev 3.
http://home.earthlink.net/~jvanhornrlh/Doubleneck_Project/PICKUPWIRE.pdf
Most files will be in PDF format so as to be able to download , save and print.
I'll tackle cost issues and construction issues as we go.
First on the list is to design the body and it's cost.
Any suggestions? Step on up.
Hap Hazzard
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Sonichris
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 1892
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 11:34 AM
This will be a cool thread - I've been thinking about a double neck jazzmaster - standard six string/ Bass VI for a while - I even drew the plans for the body and pickguard. I'm a little concerned about my limited ability with a router, though....
I figure I can get necks from USA Custom Guitars, and probably a body blank too.
Chris
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Kojack
Joined: Jul 29, 2006
Posts: 110
Menomonie, Wisconsin USA
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 12:03 PM
I wouldn't want to tell a man how to run his business...However, since Neptune _is always depicted with a tri_-dent, shouldn't you be building a triple neck?
I mean really, how difficult could it be?
Cheers,
Chuck
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surfneptune
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 12:29 PM
YEAH I want one with a leeetle high strung fender neck poken out above a standard six and a Baritone (b to b)
It would be cool, you would have to find light wood. They get heavy quick folks... and it helps if you are on the taller side too.
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WR
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netherlands
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 02:26 PM
or go for a triple neck Michael Angelo Batio-design
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PolloGuitar
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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San Francisco
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 03:30 PM
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surfneptune
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Posted on Oct 31 2006 05:17 PM
When he played fresno back in the day, he had at least THREE VINTAGE guitars stacked one on top of the other on straps, on his chest and behind him. SHIT. the paint must have been flyin!
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 50
Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 01 2006 12:02 PM
OK we had some fun, now first on my list is configuration.
I've always been a Strat man since the 71' and I've had so many I could shot myself for letting all of them go. (including a 55' with a pickguard signed LF Nov.54' but that another story) In that time I had a LP Jr and a Tele. What I remembered was the simplicity of the layout. Not too many switches or pickups, no whang bar but great Rear pickup tones. The LP Jr. for its P 90's grawl and the Tele for it twang.
The P 90 could be a useful pickup for it's mids. Good solid rock tone like Leslie West of Mountain or Steve Mariott of the Humble Pie. Why look at this pickup? I do Blues also so it is possible to double duty the double neck guitar.
The Tele rear pickup is a perfect candidate for twang. Used alot in the Bakersfield sound. Solid and very present top end with many veriations to choice from.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/teles.shtml
Maybe I could find a onboard preamp that could change the tone for the Blues gigs.
http://www.axesrus.com/AXEBASE.htm
Hmmmmm...Na. Get a GOOD Tele single coil and work with what you got. I'll go for the ALBERT COLLINS sound. Bright as H... Frozen Over!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi7ozziHlgk
Front pickup on the Standard 6 but not on the Baritone. Keep it simple.
Again both necks would be hot from the DGuitar.
Now the whang bar. Many have a preference for the Fender style. For me it's the Strat, but I'm thinkin' Tele and I don't want to go through alot of routing, drilling and moding to make a Biggsby or a Jag work. How about a Stetsbar!
http://stetsbar.com/t.style.html
No mod no drilling no nothing. Bolts right into the stock Tele location and the whang bar can be adjusted. I could get one and mount the 6 on top with the Stetsbar then move it to the bottom without damage to the body. Sounds good on the samples but the cost... Wow! So I better be sure I'm going to get one and borrow a Tele from a friend and try it out.
What do you think.
Hap
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 50
Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 01 2006 12:06 PM
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 50
Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 01 2006 03:18 PM
Just got off the phone with Stetsbar (Real People that talk! Wow) and all you have to do is: 1. bolt it on. 2. shim the neck (shim included) 3. adjust or change the nut so the strings won't get caught. If roll back is wanted, just unbolt the unit , remove the shim and your back in business.
Here is a PDF of the install. It's 5.6mg so if your dialup it may take a while.
http://stetsbar.com/documents/Instructions.Tstyle.USA.pdf
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Hap
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
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Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 01 2006 08:42 PM
Sonichris
This will be a cool thread - I've been thinking about a double neck jazzmaster - standard six string/ Bass VI for a while - I even drew the plans for the body and pickguard. I'm a little concerned about my limited ability with a router, though....
I figure I can get necks from USA Custom Guitars, and probably a body blank too.
Chris
Warmoth ad said that they can deliver 2 blanks with Tele route outs but not for the Jazzmaster. There is a Ebay Store that sells templates
http://stores.ebay.com/Guitar-Building-Templates-and-More
The Jazzmaster is one of them. So all you need now is wheather or not you want a stagger with the necks.
Here a Jaguar has the Bari on the bottom with staggered necks
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I have the stagger diminsions and will get a PDF up soon.
As to doing the routing, you could take the wood (Swamp ash to keep it light) and the templates to a local shop with someone who is into guitars working there and it's almost a treat for them to do. It may take awhile but they are out there. I know I had a shop like that (Clearwave Audio). All they do is to use them as a master and make the mother from it. Or clamp it into possition and route the first neck, move it to the next and route it. The contour shapping is done on a big ass belt sander (BIG face frame sanders) and they do have these in the big shop and the quarter round edge is done with a standard hand router.
In short, the labor is out there. You just have to do is bring coffee and donuts and sh!! happens. If not, money always works for getting things done.
I'll be back with some quotes on wood and labor. (or six packs it will take)
Now the paint we'll cover later.
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SurfBandBill
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1487
San Francisco
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 01:59 AM
I'm sure most people remember Mel Bergman's double-neck that he played in the Phantom Surfers...
Jazzmaster on top, Jag on the bottom.
It was this guitar that made me want to get both of 'em.
~B~
For those who never saw it, here's a link.
http://www.blijdorp.org/200506/IMG_2972.jpg
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 50
Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 10:38 AM
SurfBandBill
I'm sure most people remember Mel Bergman's double-neck that he played in the Phantom Surfers...
Jazzmaster on top, Jag on the bottom.
It was this guitar that made me want to get both of 'em.
~B~
For those who never saw it, here's a link.
http://www.blijdorp.org/200506/IMG_2972.jpg
Now there ya go!
He still have it?
It can come in handy as a chick magnet. Ya Right!
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Checkout what they're doing besides coppin' a feel.
Hap
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SurfBandBill
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Posts: 1487
San Francisco
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 03:19 PM
Hap,
I'm guessing he still does. When I saw them back in '03 or so, he was playing the double-neck, but when I saw them last year in Albany, he'd switched to a vintage Jag.
Either way, he sounds good no matter what he's playing on.
~B~
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Sonichris
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 1892
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 03:32 PM
I've seen that doubleneck jag/Bass VI photo before, and thats what I used as my starting point when I drew up my full scall plans. I want the BassVI neck on top, because the tremolo will get in the way the other way around I think.
I made Jazzmaster pickup, tremolo and control routing paterns out of 1/4" lexan during my latest Jazzmaster re-fin. They turned out well, and I made neck routing paterns too. I'm just scared to spend a bunch of money on a guitar project that I may not build right, or like when I'm done. I've never played a double neck before.....
I can do all the paint finish work, and probably all the wiring too.
I need to step up to the plate, and quite being a wimp about it and just do it!
Any good suppliers for a light weight body blank?
Chris
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butchdelux
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 250
Port Fierce, Florida
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 03:36 PM
HapHazzard
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Checkout what they're doing besides coppin' a feel.
Hap
Is that Brian Lonbeck...?
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
Posts: 50
Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 04:37 PM
Sonichris
I've seen that doubleneck jag/Bass VI photo before, and thats what I used as my starting point when I drew up my full scall plans. I want the BassVI neck on top, because the tremolo will get in the way the other way around I think.
I made Jazzmaster pickup, tremolo and control routing paterns out of 1/4" lexan during my latest Jazzmaster re-fin. They turned out well, and I made neck routing paterns too. I'm just scared to spend a bunch of money on a guitar project that I may not build right, or like when I'm done. I've never played a double neck before.....
I can do all the paint finish work, and probably all the wiring too.
I need to step up to the plate, and quite being a wimp about it and just do it!
Any good suppliers for a light weight body blank?
Chris
You got the right Idea with the lexan. When I do router templates, I would use a guide on the router that gave me a 1/8" offset. This way I could use a plung router and drop the bit down a little on each pass.
I when a did a rubbing of a Strat body the first time I got the dims for a drawing. Now I'm an AutoCAD user and I use a digial caliper. I could post a DXF version of the AutoCAD drawing.
I KNOW WHAT I CAN DO! It might be big.
I'll post a small PDF to veiw and a full scale PLOT FLIE of it. You won't be able to look at it, and won't be able to print it. Take the Plot File to a BLUE PRINTING shop NOT Kinko's and ask for what ever page size I'll specify. The last time I did this it cost only 2 BUCKS per copy. Kinks was 85 bucks. (never could figure out why)
Here's a link to the guys and gal I used to print large sheets. Look for someone in your area that does the same and ask "Can you print AutoCAD Plot Files?" If they say Yes, then your ready.
http://www.airportblueprint.com/
http://www.airportblueprint.com/largecolor.html
http://www.airportblueprint.com/largedocs.html
If there's is someone around that has a small CNC table router, they might do a template from 1/4 masonite. A DXF file is what they want to see.
Here's a guy who did his whole body on a CNC table
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They're all around and you might have one real close to you.
So Call up the Dogs and Start the hunt!
Last but not least. Car Body and Fender supplies for most the stuff. But for a SunBurst I'd think twice about before doing.
Find a Lowrider Autobody place. They got lacqur in their blood.
Hap
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HapHazzard
Joined: Mar 17, 2006
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Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 04:42 PM
butchdelux
HapHazzard
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Checkout what they're doing besides coppin' a feel.
Hap
Is that Brian Lonbeck...?
You might be right
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surfneptune
Joined: Mar 16, 2006
Posts: 923
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Posted on Nov 02 2006 07:12 PM
3way!!!!
Itâs funny how Barbara looks like she is genuinely cracking up in both shots... what a hooot!
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HapHazzard
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Fresno, CA
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Posted on Nov 03 2006 02:14 PM
Hmmmmmm Doublecasster?
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Na!
By the way the offset is 5 inches up and 1-5/8 inch forward from the bottom neck.
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