davidphantomatic
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San Antone, TX
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 04:52 PM
So I was in the studio today working on my band's EP and the sound that I was hearing out of the amp from my tank was not the I was hearing through the monitors.
Now I've know for awhile I wanted to get a pan with more decay, but the current one is fine for the time being.
Anyways, it seemed like I was getting little to no decay with the current pan, so I was just wondering if anyone's experienced this and if so, how did you remedy it?
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JakeDobner
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Seattle
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 04:58 PM
You are using a Super Reverb? Outboard Reverb?
Also, you don't need a pan with more decay. Too much decay can make a recording very muddy. You more wet signal, not decay.
As for the reverb issue, check the pre-amp tube, the rca cables, make sure the springs are still attached in the pan, make sure the knob didn't get rubbed against anything.
Also, if you thought you were hearing something out of the amp and they weren't in the monitors check the EQ/Board/Compressor that you are running through.
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Jagshark
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 04:58 PM
Are you using room microphones and how present are those in your playback mix? That would be the first thing I would look into.
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Rio
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 05:50 PM
Jagshark
Are you using room microphones and how present are those in your playback mix? That would be the first thing I would look into.
I'm with Jagshark... not sure what recording techniques you're using, but close mic'ing alone, for example, won't really capture reverb as effectively as adding another mic 4 or 5 feet away
but there's tons of other possible issues, including mic placement, the location of the amp within the room, "liveliness" of the room, etc
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 08:32 PM
Don't forget that reverb lives in the high frequencies, you may need to boost them. Surf music in general is very bright. I'm learning these things myself while making our first CD right now.
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davidphantomatic
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San Antone, TX
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 09:49 PM
I was recording my Super with an RI tank.
Now one this I did notice the first time was the reverb on the amp was on, which made it sound funky, but we fixed that pretty quick.
Overall the setup was just one mic placed close in front of the amp, one on the bass and then I think 6 on the drums.
I would put a second mic on the guitar, but we're using an 8 channel interface, so we'll have to experiment with taking a mic off the drums.
And as far as the guitar in the mix goes, we recorded 5 songs today and it hasn't been mixed down yet at all, so that could have something to do with it.
But I would still think if the decay was there you'd hear it no matter what.
Anyways, we're going back in probably next week to work on some issues we had in some songs, so I'm just gonna have to experiment when we're in there.
Thanks for the help though guys and if you have any other tips or suggestions, I'd love to hear them.
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davidphantomatic
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 09:52 PM
One other thing I should add is that we're recording live, not doing single tracking, so that could be a factor also.
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Jagshark
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Posted on Nov 13 2009 10:26 PM
Yeah I think you would benefit by pulling the guitar mic away from the guitar amp. That way you should be capturing more of the reverb sound.
We also recorded live. In our set up, we had a close mic on the guitar amp and a second mic about 4 or 5 feet away. That second mic captured much more reverb sound. We tried to use some carpet / baffle surrounding the mic to minimize the bleed through from drums.
If you experiment a bit with your mic placement I think you'll find you can get some better results.
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