Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1484
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 12:35 AM
I have been wondering where you all get your cover song music from.
I mean, how do you learn the music? I have tried books and such things as tab downloads. But I have wondered where do you real professionals get their sheet music for cover songs, or what ever you all use, from?
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11046
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 01:15 AM
Joelman, I would say the majority of us have developed a good enough ear to just pick the parts of the recording. Fortunately surf music isn't encumbered with vocals, so it's easy to hear the different instruments.
Learning by ear is a skill that takes practice, but is very easily mastered. A little patience and it'll come. In the process you become a better player with a deeper understanding of the mechanics of songwriting.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 01:31 AM
I'm just starting to get the hang of learning by ear. I've been playing 6 and a half years I think. Learned Red Sunrise by ear, not all the fingerings were correct but the notes were(thanks Ivan for the help). That was a big step and gave me confidence to pick out other things.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
Posts: 2174
PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 02:05 AM
I totally agree with Danny but I do have to add that when you learn a cover make it your own meaning give it your own flavor for example their are so many ways to play caravan and I have seen some killer surf guitar katz that play it their way it's nice to hear different versions of the same song, it sure would be boring if everybody played caravan exactly the same way so have fun with covers make it your own, you don't have to learn a cover note for note give it some heart and soul your way,
playing covers are just interpretaions theirs no wrong or right way
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HBkahuna
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
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Star, Idaho. Formerly lived in Surf City USA.
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 08:56 AM
Those of us with no ear like myself, use guitar tabs found at various sites in the Internet including this one. Ive also had a few lessons from several professional players which helped tremendously.
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JeffLeites
Joined: Mar 27, 2006
Posts: 343
North Hollywood, California
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 09:11 AM
I'm no professional, I kind of consider myself a bedroom playing hack , but l agree it's mostly picking it up by ear. There is software available that lets you slow the music down and play it back at the same pitch. If I have a really bad time with a particular note, I can even select that one note, and have it continuously loop. The sound can drive you batty, but it helps.
Your right about the fingering. When I see someone else play a tune that I know, I usually notice that their fingering is different.
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kick_the_reverb
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Escondido, CA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 10:09 AM
By ear...always have.
To me it was always baffling to see how some people are excellent players, but can't pick up a melody by ear. I guess different brains work in different ways.
I had success with writing tabs for other people. Beware of the interent tabs, most of the ones I saw online were wrong in one way or the other.
Sound Forge has the capability to slow down with out pitch change, and I found it useful when I was trying to learn the solo from "Another Day, Another Man".
Ran
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Jon
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
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Columbus, OH
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 10:37 AM
I had no idea about that Sound Forge thing. That would be a great way to pick up on harder riffs and solos.
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
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Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 11:25 AM
Picking out parts by ear is a very important skill to learn. I also relied on software to slow down parts without changing the pitch. I used CoolEdit for that.
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1484
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 11:41 AM
Thanks for the great replies
I have often wondered how picking up music is done by professionals, and I can pick up some music by ear. The melody is usually pretty easy to pick up, but I have a very tough time with the cordings. You know like which key it is in and such. I agree about making a cover song your own, and I have on ocassion been more happy with my version. But not being a professional I just had to ask.
This is such a fine forum. I want you, <u> everyone here </u> to know that at least one person really likes the people here.
Thanks for sharing your expertise.
Joel
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Dane_Brammage
Joined: Jun 14, 2006
Posts: 203
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 11:53 AM
You don't need to get too tense about figuring out the exact chords that were used in the original. Most times, there are a couple of possibilities that will work. (See the thread on Sleepwalk.)
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dp
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3546
mojave desert, california
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 11:59 AM
...a magic surfing leprechaun from up in the hills delivers a big bag o' cover music to me on St. Patty's Day each year...
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(actually, I learn mostly by ear, some by tab, some by other people showing me how...)
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Fripperton
Joined: Aug 14, 2006
Posts: 270
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 02:40 PM
I have a massive collection of sheet music. I've been collecting it for years. I have stuff from pop, rock, country, patriotic, classical, church, theater, and jazz. I have books full of TV themes. I have the music for "Walk,Don't Run" but it's the Johhny Smith version.
There's not a lot of Trad surf material in these however so you have to develop your ear for that. To help find what key your in so you know what chords to play pay attention to the tonic. This is the note that the song usually ends on. It's the key of the song your hearing. You can then work the chords from there. In western pop music it will usually be the 4 chord and the 5 chord that follow. In the key of A this would mean the D chord and the E chord. In the key of C it would be F and G. Another common progression you'll see it to go to the relative minor before the 4 and 5 chords. In the key of C you would go to an Am and in the key of G you would go to the Em. This by no means handles all songs but it should help to start developing your ear to recognize progressions.
— There is Surf east of Sepulveda.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11046
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 02:58 PM
Fripperton gives excellent advice. I would add that most bass lines are very simple in surf, sticking to the tonic. So try to play the bass part first, then play the chord of that particular note, and listen for if it's minor or major. If you have trouble with that, play the third note in the scale and then play the flatted third, if the flatted sounds right, it's a minor.
I hope this makes sense. I could elaborate if you need.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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wooza
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 1618
Ithaca, NY
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 05:57 PM
It's cool to see that most of you pros learn most of your stuff by ear. It makes me feel more "professional."
I haven't tried the bassline or chord tricks; I just flail my fingers along the fretboard until I hear the right note. I'm sure my fingering is pretty laughable, but at least it still sounds fine. Hey, I could play to a crowd in the dark and nobody would notice.
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Jon
Joined: Mar 15, 2006
Posts: 1076
Columbus, OH
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Posted on Sep 29 2006 07:07 PM
dp
...a magic surfing leprechaun from up in the hills delivers a big bag o' cover music to me on St. Patty's Day each year...
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(actually, I learn mostly by ear, some by tab, some by other people showing me how...)
I know that leprechaun! He owes money all over town...
But back to the topic, I usually just pick out main/easy parts by ear, then try to learn the rest around that. Sometimes it takes a while, but I think it's a lot of fun.
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Xotie
Joined: Apr 29, 2006
Posts: 22
Las Vegas NV
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Posted on Oct 01 2006 08:40 PM
I use a program called "Riffster" from Polarity.com that also slows the tempo but lets you vary the pitch - some recordings are flat for sharp relative to your own instrument. I can then export the modified set to a slowed down version (in pitch with my instrument) as an MP3 file, transfer it to my MP3 player, then plug that into my CD input in my amp, and 'play along' with the ventures, nebulas, etc. I ripped nearly all the Surfonics CD (Thanks, Mike) since that is basically a trio: bass, drums and lead guitar.
But as several posts earlier stated, make it your own. You don't necesarily need to do a note by note copy, but just capture the 'essence'. I have 17 versions of Pipeline, and they're all 'different' - but it's definately Pipeline nontheless.
Hope my unsophisticated method is some help...
— <i>"In the beginning there was Nothing. Then it Exploded"</i>
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Joelman
Joined: Sep 07, 2006
Posts: 1484
Redlands, CA
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Posted on Oct 05 2006 12:33 AM
As usual you guys all come through like champs. Well that guy out in the desert sometimes seems to have heat stroke. But other than that your advice is heard and welcomed by me. I have tried picking it up by ear and I usually get a song by that method, but sometimes I wonder if I have it in the right key. But if I'm going to make it my own then I can play it in any key I want, or so the suggestion was.
I think I found so many variations of songs in books that I started worrying what the interpretations were wrong. Then I didn't want to play any of them not knowing the correct way.
So thanks again for your welcomed help. If I see that green dude on the flying four leaf clover I'll flag him down.
Thanks
Joel
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surfdrumsf2
Joined: Apr 02, 2006
Posts: 11
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Posted on Oct 13 2006 08:26 PM
I don't mean that arrogantly, and I am no professional but. I was in Wall greens the other day and through the musak system I heard a tune, that I recognized. I didn't know the name, but as I listened I realized it would be a great surf cover.
So I recorded it on my cell phone. I can't learn the song from it but, I keep playing for people, some one will know it.
That's how I do it.
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