WaimeaBay
Joined: Jul 05, 2006
Posts: 969
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 03:52 PM
I really enjoy the sound quality of a lot of vinyl records I have. I don't have that many surf albums on vinyl, but I really don't think the genre matters. I happen to like listening to records on vinyl even to this day.
I have never ripped a vinyl album to digital, although I had one of my friends did a Dick Dale album for me. When you rip vinyl to digital does it hold the similar feel? It is hard for me to tell because the album my friend did seems like it is at a low bitrate. I was thinking about buying a record player that goes USB as well to rip. But if it does not preserve the original feel, I am not going to bother, I'll just keep what I got.
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UnsteadyFreddie
Joined: Feb 28, 2006
Posts: 2979
Hell\'s Kitchen, NYC
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 04:08 PM
I would love to hear responses to this too; as I have a great deal of vinyl, including some rare surf stuff
thx for posting
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outsides
Joined: Jul 08, 2006
Posts: 460
NorCal
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 04:26 PM
I sell vinyl and do put soundclips up on Ebay auctions without altering the sound quality at all so that the record can be heard in the condition that it actually is in. I can attest that ripping (without alterations) does not effect the sound quality at all. I use a Numark TT USB - very easy to use and you can download Audacity to use it. And it's an affordable turntable. I have also found that putting a mono needle on the turntable gets much better sound than the stereo one it came with. But I'm mainly recording 45's that were orginally recorded in mono so that's what works for me.
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5307
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 04:46 PM
i've used the CD spin doctor program to convert vinyl to my itunes. it's fairly easy to use but time consuming. i think you can download it for free or it comes with an imic purchase, i can't recall.
i have a 'ion' portable usb turntable and it is easy to use but i've found it slows down if there are warps in the records.
i've also got an old hitachi turntable run through an older sherwood tube amp hooked up to my computer with an 'imic'. this is the best set up i've found. it seems to do a pretty good job of reproducing the sound off an LP.
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ElMonstroPorFavor
Joined: Sep 01, 2006
Posts: 2732
New Orleans, LA
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 10:33 PM
maybe it's just my computer speakers or psychological influence on the fact that I know I'm not listening to my turntable, but I've found that it's never as enjoyable listen. I've ripped a few vinyl albums for my blog and found that imperfections that I could easily ignore on vinyl stand out to me more when listening on MP3. Even if you have a pristine album, I think most sound cards just don't translate that analog signal right.
Oh and I use Audacity to do it. Thankfully the whole process is pretty easy. I think you should go ahead and try it for yourself
edit: and sort of agreeing with the above post, I don't think USB turntable is the way to go. Find a nice analog setup you enjoy, and just plug that sucker into your soundcard. It's more customized to your tuning that way and from what I've read elsewhere the integrated sound card on those turntables are mostly crap (which is why they're often running for only $50 or so). USB turntables are mostly for people that didn't think it would be possible to record otherwise I think, or at best people that want to minimize equipment (but really, that could still be done with just a phono preamp going to your soundcard)
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mom_surfing
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 5307
the outer banks of north carolina
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Posted on Sep 06 2008 11:58 PM
i've got JBL speakers to play the music from my itunes through, a huge improvement over computer speakers.
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LosDerrumbes
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 58
Santander, Spain
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Posted on Sep 07 2008 03:01 AM
The iMic mentioned avobe is a great - and cheap - piece of equipment. You can plug a good turntable to it and then to your USB port, and the quality of the turntable really counts!
If the recording is mono it's better to record to a single mono track and then duplicate it to make a "twin mono" file you can burn to a CD. For recording I use a program called Sound Studio (for Mac) but probably any recording software will do it. Just check the volume input to avoid overloading the signal (= distorted sound).
Don't forget to normalize the file to get the best sound and please, don't play with effects even if you feel adding more reverb would be a cool idea. Although a little compression does wonders sometimes!
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Kawentzmann
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1062
Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Sep 07 2008 05:27 AM
I guess it depends mostly of the gear used. My MOTU converters are so old, their max wordlength is 20bit, I can hear a slight coldness compared to the source.
— The Exotic Guitar of Kahuna Kawentzmann
You can get the boy out of the Keynes era, but you can’t get the Keynes era out of the boy.
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 3811
North Atlantic
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Posted on Sep 07 2008 12:54 PM
I use an old Hitachi turntable into a turntable pre amp (Cambridge Audio), into my M-Audio soundcard, and record it with Cool Edit Pro. I find the albums sound pretty much the same.
But since I hooked up my turntable to my stereo system, I'd much rather hear the records played through that...the way thet were meant to.
I'm glad to hear that vinyl is still kicking. I'd much rather buy a vinyl release than a CD one. Plus USK will be releasing a 4 song 7 inch in time for all your Holiday Shopping!
Rev
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planish
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
Posts: 473
Sackville, New Brunswick
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Posted on Sep 07 2008 11:42 PM
I have a Sony direct-drive quartz-lock turntable, and run it through a Griffin iMic (on the "Mic" setting). I record with Audacity 1.3.5d , and use it to apply the RIAA EQ/de-emphasis and the "Click Removal" effect. I usually have it remove the DC offset and Normalize to -0.1 dBFS as well.
The trickiest thing with digitizing vinyl is probably deciding how much snap-crackle-pop (especially with older vinyl) you are willing to put up with. More aggressive click-removal starts to affect the musical transients. Play around with it for a while.
I believe there's some software out there that is specifically intended for cleaning up recordings from vintage vinyl, but the name escapes me at the moment.
I don't believe in compressing already-published music, so the ones I rip tend to sound far softer than modern stuff and "remastered" oldies, when played back to back. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_wars .
— I'm not a complete idiot. Some parts are missing.
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RevWillis
Joined: Apr 25, 2006
Posts: 84
SLC, UT
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Posted on Sep 25 2008 09:42 AM
I tend to agree about USB turntables, rather dubious quality (cartridge/preamp/converters... how good can any of this stuff be for the low asking price?). Convenient, yes... but if we want to digitize and maintain the sound quality of vinyl, then I think better gear is required.
I start from an enviable position having great gear from when vinyl was the only game in town, and because I do a lot of live recording and computer based CD production.
From the past, a Thorens turntable/SME arm/Shure cartridge. For a preamp, I have a Van Alstine modded Dynaco PAS3 preamp. I also have a Hagerman preamp kit (amazing quality for the cost...$150 or so...if you are handy with a soldering iron).
To get to digital, I run the preamp output into an Apogee Duet Firewire interface to my Mac. At 24 bit, I can underrecord to avoid clipping spikes in the audio. Then I use Peak to edit the audio (remove the worst clicks and pops, insert track markers, dither to 16 bit, and normalize). I can also combine albums into a single CD (collections that spanned multiple LPs). The results are great, and certainly the equivalent of LP sound. I don't add any compression or anything to affect the purity of the LP sound.
A new option for those of you getting into this process is a new Phono preamp/USB interface from NAD. About $150, and worth looking into.
Rev.
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