Mustard_Man
Joined: Jan 16, 2007
Posts: 100
England
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 07:00 AM
I never use the thumb, it seems to take your hand all out of shape for the next move.. On a classical guitar, with a much fatter neck its an absolute impossibility to play with the thumb, but you can get away with it on an electric as some pretty famous examples will testify. Not shoving classical technique down anyone's throat, someone sounding a bit angry!
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 08:31 AM
If I want to play a D/F# chord, for example, I use my thumb for the F# on the sixth string. This is a chord that pops up, among other placed, in Leo Kottke songs, and what's good enough for Leo is good enough for me.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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krupanut
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 492
Austin Texas
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 09:21 AM
Both.
Nothing wrong with the thumb technique.
Travis pickers use it almost exclusively.
— The Thunderchiefs
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zak
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 09:58 AM
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 10:13 AM
kilometers
Horrible technique. If you use your thumb to play a barre chord it means your guitar is too low. I was trained in classical guitar, but using your thumb all the time will mess up your wrist. The tendons get stretched in an unnatural way. Avoid using your thumb to notes at all costs. Cinch up your strap and leave your thumb on the back (of the neck).
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
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North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 10:13 AM
Different guitars have different sized necks. Different players have different finger lengths, degrees of flexibility, etc. Different styles of music have different technical requirements. Trying to move technical ideas from one instrument to the next (even if they are both guitars) or from one style to the next can be problematic. There are times when it works extremely well and times when it is limiting.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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zak
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 10:22 AM
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Ruhar
Joined: Jun 21, 2007
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San Diego, CA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 10:45 AM
99% of the time I use my thumb. I need all five fingers to play
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JetBlue
Joined: May 30, 2006
Posts: 746
Cool, CA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 10:51 AM
I heard somewhere that Hendrix could bar all six strings with his thumb, leaving all four fingers to play other stuff as if he was playing in open position. Freak!
I had a guitar teacher for a short time who would flick my thumb if it peeked above the top edge of the neck. Aggravating as hell but he was a friend of mine so I didn't clock him.
I've seen great players play both ways. Whatever gets the job done, in my opinion.
— Don
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CaptainSensible
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
Posts: 647
Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 11:26 AM
zak
If your guitar is too high, you shouldn't be playing rock'n'roll.
I couldn't care less about classical technique. I don't play nylon string guitar, I don't play with my nails, and I don't sit cross legged with the guitar on my knee when I play. Segovia is not my idol. Electric guitar is not the same instrument as classical guitar. Don't shove classical guitar technique down an electric guitar player's throat.
Way to make a newbie feel welcome to the site. Nice.
— Sean
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CaptainSensible
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
Posts: 647
Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 11:27 AM
JakeDobner
Pretentious- (RP) IPA: /pɹɪˈtɛnʃəs/
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The sheer irony of this post is delicious.
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tonybologna
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 796
Oakland
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 11:45 AM
CaptainSensible
JakeDobner
Pretentious- (RP) IPA: /pɹɪˈtɛnʃəs/
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The sheer irony of this post is delicious.
Oh shit!
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2682
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 12:28 PM
CaptainSensible
zak
If your guitar is too high, you shouldn't be playing rock'n'roll.
I couldn't care less about classical technique. I don't play nylon string guitar, I don't play with my nails, and I don't sit cross legged with the guitar on my knee when I play. Segovia is not my idol. Electric guitar is not the same instrument as classical guitar. Don't shove classical guitar technique down an electric guitar player's throat.
Way to make a newbie feel welcome to the site. Nice.
Well, he did kind of ask for it, that is just terrible advice, unless you want to play Classical guitar. I took exception to the "horrible technique" remark, some of the best players I've seen use their thumb a lot. I studied classical too, it doesn't work for surf or many other styles. For any newbies here, that was Zak being nice.
Danny, you know what they say: Big hands....big chords.
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CaptainSensible
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
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Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 12:44 PM
Stormtiger
Well, he did kind of ask for it, that is just terrible advice, unless you want to play Classical guitar. I took exception to the "horrible technique" remark, some of the best players I've seen use their thumb a lot. I studied classical too, it doesn't work for surf or many other styles.
I don't play like kilometers suggests one should, nor do likely most rock guitarists, but what he says about guitar technique is fundamentally true. So, regardless of the ability of the guitarist, if they use their thumb in making barre chords or play with it wrapped around the neck rather than behind, then they have poor technique. Period.
I just thought it was funny to see people get so exercised about being told that they factually play with poor technique. Other than the medical concerns he cites, the real question is who cares? I mean, if you have the funkiest looking swing in the world but you birdie every hole, are you really going to change your golf swing because you have bad form? No. So why get worked up about it?
Frankly, I'd rather be a great guitarist (which I'm not) and have poor technique than be a mediocre guitarist (which I am) and have great technique (which I don't). But there you have it. Of course, if you can sound great and have great technique, all the better, but most folks probably won't even notice anything besides what's coming out of your amp.
— Sean
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zak
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 12:55 PM
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 12:58 PM
CaptainSensible
I don't play like kilometers suggests one should, nor do likely most rock guitarists, but what he says about guitar technique is fundamentally true. So, regardless of the ability of the guitarist, if they use their thumb in making barre chords or play with it wrapped around the neck rather than behind, then they have poor technique. Period.
I was working on a piece in which the composer specifically said in the instructional notes that the way to play a particular chord in that particular piece was to use the thumb. This was actually essential to allow the other fingers to be free for the next notes.
In other words, in that instance, in that song, it was good technique.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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CaptainSensible
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
Posts: 647
Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 01:04 PM
zak
I love it when people talk in absolutes.
I stand by every word I said
Hah. This site is contantly peppered with absolutes that are nothing but subjective opinions (e.g., Fender, Fender, Fender). But, since you declare that there can be no yardstick for measuring, well, anything really, then we can agree to disagree.
Have a great day and please don't hurt your precious thumb.
— Sean
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Stormtiger
Joined: Dec 12, 2006
Posts: 2682
Ventura, CA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 01:05 PM
So, regardless of the ability of the guitarist, if they use their thumb in making barre chords or play with it wrapped around the neck rather than behind, then they have poor technique. Period.
Period! Oh brother, I love Dogma.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 01:07 PM
kilometers
Horrible technique. If you use your thumb to play a barre chord it means your guitar is too low.
If you added the words "for classical guitar" after each of these sentences, I'd agree with you. There are certainly lots of places where classical, rock, instro, fingerstyle etc. guitar overlap and techniques and ideas serve them all equally well.
However, it's difficult to make a blanket statement about how low a guitar should be held when you are comparing a player who is sitting down to a player who is standing up. There are necessarily differences in posture.
Classical training can both help and hinder folks playing in other styles. To me, the trick is to take what works for you and let go of what doesn't when trying to move from one style to another.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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CaptainSensible
Joined: Nov 08, 2006
Posts: 647
Leesburg, VA
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Posted on Sep 17 2008 01:10 PM
DNAdude
I was working on a piece in which the composer specifically said in the instructional notes that the way to play a particular chord in that particular piece was to use the thumb. This was actually essential to allow the other fingers to be free for the next notes.
In other words, in that instance, in that song, it was good technique.
Point taken. But I would still argue that an exception does not disprove the rule. In any event, my intent was not to suggest that one must always (or ever for that matter) follow what is generally considered proper technique (I certainly don't myself). My intent was merely to rib others for being so sensitive about their playing style. Who would have thought surf guitarists could be so precious.
— Sean
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