MelWaldorf
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Posted on Mar 06 2008 11:30 PM
Jeff - Hell yes they can be used for bass, and sound great. Generally they're fitted with a D-140 for bass instead of the D-130 but the bass reflex makes them particularly suited for that.
Flowmaster - be careful with that A/B comparison of two tone-ring cabinets, you might find you want to run both all the time!
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ShaunNecro
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Posted on Mar 06 2008 11:35 PM
DannySnyder
shaunecro
What kind of wood did you use for that? Also, what are the dimensions for that tone ring baffle?
It's pine, yellow I think. Check ampwares fender list for dimensions.
Thanks, I'll check that out.
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Flowmaster_G
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Posted on Mar 06 2008 11:49 PM
MelWaldorf
Jeff - Hell yes they can be used for bass, and sound great. Generally they're fitted with a D-140 for bass instead of the D-130 but the bass reflex makes them particularly suited for that.
Flowmaster - be careful with that A/B comparison of two tone-ring cabinets, you might find you want to run both all the time!
Well..I like tight lows; My VM-110 is great at that, better than a Mosrite IMHO. I'm just wondering of a Tone Ring is giving me softer/basier lows than a reg. baffle would.
I was playing the VM-110 through a new Crate Palomino (EL 84's, 112) and it sounds GREAT; I like that tight low end and wonder if the Showman get's any tighter without the ported baffle.
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 04:33 PM
MelWaldorf
Yeah, what Danny said. We all know to respect the words of a Jewish carpenter!
So if I contract Danny to build a tone ring cab for me, will it have some sort of religious significance? Will I never hit a bad note again? 
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 04:39 PM
synchro
MelWaldorf
Yeah, what Danny said. We all know to respect the words of a Jewish carpenter!
So if I contract Danny to build a tone ring cab for me, will it have some sort of religious significance? Will I never hit a bad note again? 
I don't think so. But you will be forgiven, my son. 
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 04:49 PM
DannySnyder
I don't think so. But you will be forgiven, my son. 
Oh no, did I cut one again without realizing it? 
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 05:44 PM
synchro
DannySnyder
I don't think so. But you will be forgiven, my son. 
Oh no, did I cut one again without realizing it? 
Oh, just a minute, now I get it. You're talking about my sins . . . That's a big subject. 
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 05:48 PM
I'm talking about your bad notes 
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"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 05:54 PM
DannySnyder
I'm talking about your bad notes 
That's an even bigger subject. 
Do you build cabs for hire?
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 07:32 PM
not economically feasible for me to do it for you. I suggest you check out J.D. Newell, others on here will attest to their quality and great prices.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 08:02 PM
DannySnyder
not economically feasible for me to do it for you. I suggest you check out J.D. Newell, others on here will attest to their quality and great prices.
Is there anyone building tone ring cabs? I think this would solve my biggest challenge because I want/need great bass response but I don't want to sacrifice the highs. I'm trying to build a cab which will allow me to play a bass or a guitar through it and strike a good compromise. I was researching tone rings when I found this thread and brought it back to life (and I'm not even a Jewish carpenter). 
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 08:24 PM
Comparing my tone ring to the new 2x12 I built, the difference in bass response is subtle at best. A lot of work for small pay off. I say build the 1x15 and forget the tone ring unless you really want to. It's also more expensive, the tone ring is another $60 and the extra wood baffle and blocks take a fair amount of time. It's pretty easy though if you have rudimentary woodworking skills.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 14 2008 09:53 PM
DannySnyder
Comparing my tone ring to the new 2x12 I built, the difference in bass response is subtle at best. A lot of work for small pay off. I say build the 1x15 and forget the tone ring unless you really want to. It's also more expensive, the tone ring is another $60 and the extra wood baffle and blocks take a fair amount of time.
Maybe I'd be better off with a pair of 12" bass speakers in a 32" Showman style closed-back cabinet. My home/small-gig rig is a heavily modified Blues Jr. that I run through an Avatar 1x12 bass cab. In a way that's the inspiration for my Twin/Faux Showman project, having one amp that can handle clean guitar, bass or baritone at gig volumes.
DannySnyder
It's pretty easy though if you have rudimentary woodworking skills.
Rudimentary is the best way to describe all of my skills. 
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MelWaldorf
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 01:32 AM
While I'm sure there are 12" speakers that can handle the load, I've played through some JBL D120 equipt Twin Reverbs, and they just didn't have definition at the bottom end. Granted, the open back cabinet is a factor, but I think that if you're going to go with twin speakers, twin 15s are the way to go. Of course, Shecky route of having a tone-ring cabinet AND a 2x12 cabinet is a nice idea, too...
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WR
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 02:47 AM
hmm, my experience with 2x12 in a closed back cab are different. I think it's the open back at high volumes which lets you loose low-end. many if not most basscabs use 10" speakers. Intuitively, Id say it's a speaker's ability to travel back and forth wich defines the low end, and that has little to none to do with the speaker size.
what twin? saying 'a twin' is about the same as saying 'a strat'
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cambeezy
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 07:48 AM
synchro
My home/small-gig rig is a heavily modified Blues Jr. that I run through an Avatar 1x12 bass cab.
I just turned my 2X12" closed-back home studio cab into a 1X15 c-b, powered by an old green board Blues junior "head". THe 15 sounds better, especially with the '63 Reverb.
The speaker is a "special design" Fender that I just found on ebay for $50. I'm pretty sure its really an Eminence Legend 151. The guy was swapping it out of his Vibroverb RI for a JBL, looking for a more authentic SRV tone I guess.
BTW, nice build, Danny!
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spy
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 09:12 AM
DannySnyder
Hey Danny. I'm interested to build a 2x12 tone ring cab.
Looks interesting!
Where did you find the metal ring?
Are there any "standard" dimensions for tone ring cabs?
How much smaller must be the inner baffle?
What about the space btw inner and front baffle? Or the diameter on the front baffle? etc.... 
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DannySnyder
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 10:07 AM
Spy, there's no such thing as a 2x12 tone ring, tone ring cabs are single speaker only. The metal rings are available through the usual vintage amp part suppliers. The plans were available on ebay from the guy who builds Dario's (Gomez) cabinets. I don't see them currently listed on Ebay, perhaps Dario will act as a conduit to help you buy them.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
I am now playing trumpet with Prince Buster tribute band 'Balzac'
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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synchro
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 11:04 AM
DannySnyder
Spy, there's no such thing as a 2x12 tone ring, tone ring cabs are single speaker only. The metal rings are available through the usual vintage amp part suppliers. The plans were available on ebay from the guy who builds Dario's (Gomez) cabinets. I don't see them currently listed on Ebay, perhaps Dario will act as a conduit to help you buy them.
I hadn't even thought about that before but perhaps I should think in terms of a Gomez cab at some point in the future.
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D22
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Posted on Sep 15 2008 12:05 PM
We have plenty of tone-ring cabinets available with or without speakers. They come complete with the genuine Fender piggyback bushings, thumb screws and tilt-back legs. They are not cheap and many reasons why that is so.
FYI-The pricing on the website is dealer pricing/MSRP. Always has been that way. I can offer you a better pricing that what's listed if you're interested in not dealing with the hassle.
However, if you are on a budget and don't mind building it yourself I would look into purchasing Paul Wisenor's tone-ring plans from eBay.
If he doesn't have them listed shoot me an e-mail and I will forward it to him so you two can talk about it. He essentially stripped apart the old tone-ring cabs and blueprinted them to detail. He is an expert woodworker as is Danny so you're in great hands when it comes to tone-ring discussions.
Please note that the manufacturer of the tone-rings that are available from Mojo, etc. stopped making them. I think there are some tone-rings out there scattered across the country that folks may have that they would be willing to sell.
I personally don't have any rings to sell though I have been tempted to have them manufactured through Gomez Amps. That's just too much for me to do at the moment.
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