tenderfoot
Joined: Feb 01, 2007
Posts: 308
Ellicott City, Maryland
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 09:23 AM
Ive been wanting to start this poll for months. I dont play out, but if I did, I would want to play rhythm guitar. My reasons are multiple. Primarily, I suck at lead guitar, but I also really enjoy the feeling of playing rhythm. I wouldnt mind playing lead on a few songs though. In many rock bands the rhythm guitarist is the lead singer, so I love the fact that I could play rhythm and not have to sing. I dont think there are too many rhythm guitarists on this site, so would you identify yourself in the post.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 09:32 AM
I started out as a rhythm guitarist, and I love doing it.
The rhythm part has a specific job to fulfill - it has to support and not overpower the lead, but I think it should still be interesting in its own right. It's challenging to do all of that well.
When I have played in rock bands, I was exclsively rhythm and happy about it. Now that I play surf, I also play lead on some songs, and I enjoy that as well. It's a different set of challenges. Since the other guitarist and I both like doing both parts, we switch off on different songs.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 10:01 AM
I've never been fond of the idea that rhythm guitar is somehow less worthwhile than lead guitar or that rhythm players should want to "move up" to lead or that rhythm guitarists are somehow less talented than lead guitarists.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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Klas
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 2292
Stockholm, Sweden
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 10:03 AM
In the Surfites, I play rhythm when Jack is on lead and vice versa. Also in the Daytonas me and other guitarist Lars Kjellén equally shared the rhythm guitar duties.
BTW, "rhythm" - what a crazy spelled word! In Swedish it's simply "rytm"
— T H E ✠ S U R F I T E S
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 10:42 AM
Klas
BTW, "rhythm" - what a crazy spelled word! In Swedish it's simply "rytm"
I always have to think about it before I type it. But, hey, English is known for crazy spelled words
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 10:51 AM
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
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spskins
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 3754
tn
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:05 AM
JakeDobner
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
Is that the rule for all bands?
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:13 AM
spskins
JakeDobner
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
Is that the rule for all bands?
That's the way we do it, but we never made it a conscious rule. The person who wrote it already knows the lead part, so it makes sense to us to have that person go ahead and play it.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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tonybologna
Joined: Mar 06, 2006
Posts: 796
Oakland
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:13 AM
spskins
JakeDobner
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
Is that the rule for all bands?
Yes.
the Dobner surf band rules.
— Science friction burns my fingers.
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zak
Joined: Sep 24, 2007
Posts: 2728
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:14 AM
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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Seattle
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:15 AM
spskins
JakeDobner
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
Is that the rule for all bands?
No, I just meant that for my band. I should have included a choice noun or two to avoid making a sweeping generalization.
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:15 AM
Oh. Sorry. I didn't know. We'll make it a rule, then,
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11046
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:15 AM
Well it's not for The Madeira, where Patrick writes some fantastic songs.
I'm unique in which I play Rh. in one band and lead in another. Though in MBP I switch off with Mel, I play maybe 25% lead. The biggest reason being is to give him a break once in a while. And in our case Jake is mostly right, I play lead on the songs I've arranged or written.
I enjoy playing rhythm guitar, and a well arranged, nuanced 2nd guitar part can make a huge difference to a song. All you rhythm guitarists out there - you're driving a lot of the dynamics of the song, be sure to pay attentiont to that and flex your own creativity.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 11:19 AM
zak
I like playing rhythm, I have a ridiculously huge chord vocabulary and I never get to use 95% of it, but it sure can be fun throwing in some m6/9 or #5/#9 chords in a song ending.
And that is too bad. With surf I don't even get a chance to use different voicings of standard major and minor chords very often.
Agreed with Danny on the Dynamics. I've come a long way between our first and second albums. I realized I don't have to chug along with a driving rhythm that I kind of thought was kind of standard in surf when I recorded the first album.
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jp
Joined: Feb 09, 2007
Posts: 917
Brew City
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 12:12 PM
I initially started playing rhythm in my bands because the other guitarists that I play with have been playing like 5 or 6 times longer than I have and are ultimately better at their instruments than I am. I'm also the lead singer in my r&b band and since that's my main job I don't mind taking the backseat on guitar plus my background is on bass so it makes more sense to me to play rhythm. I think that I lock in with drums and bass better than the other guitarists that I play with.
I do bust out some solos here and there and I do play lead on about a third of the Transistor Royale tunes. I also have written instros for both of my bands that I let the other guitarists take the lead on. At this point my favorite part of playing rhythm is doing the textural stuff with tremolo, fuzz etc.
that's my take on it anyway.
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TvD
Joined: Mar 03, 2006
Posts: 81
Toronto
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 12:56 PM
spskins
JakeDobner
Whoever writes the song plays the lead part, unless the writer of the tune is playing a non-guitar instrument on the track.
Is that the rule for all bands?
It's mostly the case with us, although that's more because the writer has spent more time with the song than anything else.
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Abe
Joined: Mar 12, 2008
Posts: 1237
Bay Area
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 01:36 PM
Yeah that's true. Who ever wrote the song should lead it. Because only him or her, knows in what direction the song should go and should be played. But there's nothing wrong if the guy who wrote it gives it to the other guitarist to lead play it.
— The Deadbeats
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DNAdude
Joined: Aug 01, 2008
Posts: 404
North Carolina
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 02:14 PM
Right. It's just personal preference.
It can be fun to have someone else play a tune you wrote because their take on it might be interesting. It can go in directions you weren't actually expecting, and that can be a good thing.
— Ralph
The Storm Surfers
Be at one with the universe. If you can't do that, at least be at one with your guitar.
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Ron-Rhoades
Joined: Aug 19, 2006
Posts: 958
Kekaha, Kauai, Hawaii
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 06:09 PM
Alright...a rhythm thread. I play about a third of the leads in our band. We play 3hrs every week. I like playing rhythm because i'm good at it and i think being a drummer has a lot to do with it. I'm the only songwriter in our band so when i bring an original to rehearsal more often than not i let our other guitar player play lead because i think i'm better on rhythm ON MY ORIGINALS. On my songs the rhythm is just as important as the lead a lot of the time. Some of my originals i just throw on the table at rehearsal and give the other guys an opportunity to make something up themselves and be a part of the writing process. I don't want it to be all about ME. There's a few of my songs that i play lead on but we don't play them much because in my opinion, the rhythm is not as i wrote it. Does that make sense? An example is "No Can Tells" a song i wrote and played all the instruments in the studio but when we do it 'live' the other guitar player just bangs out big old chords without any finesse. I gotta be careful so as i don't sound like i'm dissing him....he's a fine player but i'm just better at rhythm on my songs. When i've recorded a song it's pretty much the best i can make it sound on all the instruments that i play but there's only one of me so..... i try not to expect too much but sometimes, on some songs, i sound better playing rhythm. We've learned another of my tunes called "Blue Avalanche" that i play lead on but i'm not happy with the rhythm part!! I accept what he's playing because were doing an original which is SO important and we need to do originals just as much as the covers we do. Keep in mind that we play to a different crowd every week and for the most part they wanna hear the classic covers....but we can sneak some originals in there too and actually get a pretty good responce to them which leads me to close with..."it's all good"!!
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Richard
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 1683
Georgia
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Posted on Sep 04 2008 08:50 PM
Ron, I'm kind of on the opposite side of your dilemma; "the other player." In our band Eddie is the talented guitar player and I do my best to keep up. I make an effort to play the rhythm parts as he writes them, but they're never quite "there," though he does his best to teach me. I get better with most of them over time, but it's a slow process. I do try to vary things as opposed to just chugging along or banging out chords, but I'm not an intuitive or skilled player, so there's only so much that can be gotten out of me. I'm one of the people that does this just because they like it and not because they think they're good at it.
I play rhythm because that's what the band needed when I got there. My honest expectation when Eddie first approached me was that Mitch would move from bass over to rhythm and I'd play bass. That was all I had ever done. I played guitar in a band setting for the first time at my first practice with The Surge, and I had to adjust pretty quickly.
One problem that I have most of the time is my sound from song to song. I want different things at different times and I can't always achieve it on the fly with knob tweaks. If I'm having a good night I can dial something in that will work for most everything and sound pretty good. It's always a challenge.
Not to mention that whole Bruce Welch thing I'm constantly trying to live up to.
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