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Very Happy Has anyone ever ReWrapped a drum before? Just curious cuz it seems like its harder than retolexing a Cab.

The Deadbeats

FenderShowman63
Very Happy Has anyone ever ReWrapped a drum before? Just curious cuz it seems like its harder than retolexing a Cab.

I recovered an abused Slingerland kit a long time in red sparkle...it was not too difficult.

You just need to use the right adhesive (contact) and apply a lot of pressure (between rollers) to be sure the glue sticks well and there are no air bubbles trapped.

The difficult part is removing and re-installing the badges and vent hole grommets. It's very hard to have them turn out looking factory original.

I sold that kit to another drummer...then, 2 years later, I saw the same kit at a local drum shop on consignment. The guys in the shop had jacked the price way up because they thought it was a mint condition early 70's kit with the original finish....they weren't too thrilled to hear it's history from me.

For that reason, and others, I am very skeptical and cautious when it comes to buying something original and "vintage".

Good luck to you...if you attempt it!

  • Surfbeatnik

It's frightening to think that a music store couldn't tell the difference between a rewrap, but then again, not too surprising these days with some of the music store personnel I've dealt with. Or maybe you just did a helluva nice job (probably).

I looked into the process once. With the availability of Keller shells and others, and all the supply houses, wrapping your own custom kit sound like a fun project. There is a company advertising an quick easy method where the wrap comes with double stick already on the wrap, but I have also read that this may not really be the way to go, because it's only at the top and bottom. I would go with applying the full adhesive all over. I would get the holes for lugs and hardware predrilled too.

Smile Wher'ed you get the rollers for wrapping the drum? Im not gonna rewrap a drum but i was just wondering if anyone here has done it. And yeah the Badge is the hardest part of the process.

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takefive
what type of vintage ludwigs do you guys perfer?
for example the downbeat, super classics,club dates or jazzets.

I don't know if it has to be vintage Ludwig, but I notice a trend to the smaller so called "bop" sizes and even micro kits. Apparently a lot of drummers are feeing that smaller is better and less can be more. Jazzers are into the 18" bass and 14" floor tom and other smaller sizes. Would be nice if you are having to lug them around all the time. If I got another kit, it would be in smaller sizes.

websurfer
It's frightening to think that a music store couldn't tell the difference between a rewrap, but then again, not too surprising these days with some of the music store personnel I've dealt with. Or maybe you just did a helluva nice job (probably).

I looked into the process once. With the availability of Keller shells and others, and all the supply houses, wrapping your own custom kit sound like a fun project. There is a company advertising an quick easy method where the wrap comes with double stick already on the wrap, but I have also read that this may not really be the way to go, because it's only at the top and bottom. I would go with applying the full adhesive all over. I would get the holes for lugs and hardware predrilled too.

Depending on the brand of drum, you'd have to be a bozo to not know that a drum isn't a rewrap. The adhesives used in the 50s and 60s are now banned by the EPA because they were very flammable. Rogers drums had wraps so tightly attached, some people would just light the wrap on fire to remove it. They would burn so fast that it wouldn't harm the shell.

Shawn Martin
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http://www.youtube.com/GKacedrummerman
http://www.facebook.com/drumuitar

FenderShowman63
Very Happy Has anyone ever ReWrapped a drum before? Just curious cuz it seems like its harder than retolexing a Cab.

I had a set of early 60's Trixon Telstars with a very faded aqua blue glitter wrap that I briefly thought about re-covering, but the conical shap of the shells really require some pretty expert skills, so I sold them instead... Rolling Eyes

image
Cool The SlingerLand Factory. Nice huh?

The Deadbeats

I just thought I should let everyone know.
I'm blaming this thread on my latest purchase.
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I know it's not as hip as all the old vintage Slingerlands and what have you's on here. But it was a pretty decent price, and I love the sound of the 18"x14" kick drum.
Ohh, and yeah, the drum rings will be coming off as soon as I get some decent sounding heads on there.

http://about.me/nicholaus.lee

Cool I like it.

The Deadbeats

I like it too... this is a cool thread. Thumbs Up

Yup, as Ted said earlier... I proudly play my late 60s 5-piece Ludwig (could be a 70... but judging from the bass drum mount tom holder, I think it's 68 or 69). Actually I was only looking for a 4-piece, but I stumbled upon this one on eBay and fashion be damned... I dug the sound of the extra tom. Here's a pic of it.
Anyone know the name of that finish? I call it blue bowling ball, but that can't be right.
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I also have a great 1961 Slingerland (stamped on date inside the bass drum, no logos or vent holes on the rack or 14" floor tom). Black Diamond Pearl and is the best sounding kit I've ever owned. In the pic is my Ludwig Downbeat snare. Wish I had the kit that that snare was sold with (Black Galaxy finish).
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Steve
The Apollo Four 2012-present
https://www.facebook.com/ApolloFour/
The Verbtones 2002-2012

Smile Hows that DownBeat snare, Does it really pop? Did you guys record any songs using that snare? oh and Nice drums man Cool

The Deadbeats

Thanks!!!

Yeah it can pop, but it doesn't sound harsh like a cranked down piccolo. I like the sideways "BeBop" lugs... pretty unusual for Ludwig.
I think I used the Downbeat snare when we recorded stuff for "Vampiro Classics." I didn't have it tuned very tightly, but I think it recorded well. (Used the Slingerland kit on those recordings, too.)

(Home spun history portion of Steve's post: my dad gave me that snare drum to use in concert band when I was in 5th grade. Luckily I was able to hang onto it all these years! THANKS DAD!!!)

PS> I dig The Nutty Professor quote! I'm off to mix up an Alaskan Polar Bear Heater!

Steve
The Apollo Four 2012-present
https://www.facebook.com/ApolloFour/
The Verbtones 2002-2012

Smile I play guitar but prefer this thread Thumbs Up cuz i know what everyone's talking about. If your Ludwigs are painted white inside the drums they are probably pre 69' Cool

The Deadbeats

NicholausLee
I just thought I should let everyone know.
I'm blaming this thread on my latest purchase.
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I know it's not as hip as all the old vintage Slingerlands and what have you's on here. But it was a pretty decent price, and I love the sound of the 18"x14" kick drum.
Ohh, and yeah, the drum rings will be coming off as soon as I get some decent sounding heads on there.

Sweet! Glad I could help.

After reading various posts and seeing other's drum sets, I've dropped my second mounted tom. My set actually feels much better to play now. Well, when I can actually get my kids away from playing it.

Sean

Is that one of the catalina Gretsch sets, I have seriously been considering getting a set of these. I have been playing sonor hilites. I have heard nothing but good things about these drums, they have that vintage look, and the price is a steal. Although I hear changing the heads is a must!

Cool Should buy them. I've tested them out at the GC.

The Deadbeats

Is that one of the catalina Gretsch sets, I have seriously been considering getting a set of these. I have been playing sonor hilites. I have heard nothing but good things about these drums, they have that vintage look, and the price is a steal. Although I hear changing the heads is a must!

Yeah, it's one of the "Catalina Club" ones. I think there is a "Catalina Club Mod" as well, or something like that, with a larger kick drum, and floor tom.

I definitely agree that changing the heads is something you have to do. However, I have yet to get a real good set of heads on to say a whole lot more about sound or tone. As far as construction though, I have nothing but good things to say about it. Everything looks solid and well made. Especially considering the price.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend someone getting a Gretsch Catalina kit. I don't regret it one bit so far. Even if I originally went to Guitar Center to pick up a practice pad-type kit.

http://about.me/nicholaus.lee

Well, I think I am sold! I am so amazed that this set is so affordable, yet the quality is excellent. I guess it is a Gretsch, what more can we say?

BoardwalkerJeff
No pics but I have a round badge Gretsch kit (1958) in Champagne sparkle.
(it was on stage for the drum battle at SG101)

I think Surf Drums need to be a lot like Jazz Drums and be able to speak at various levels of intensity and tempos, with dynamics.

Jeff,

I thought you had a Gold Sparkle Kit with the Huntington Cads? (Or am I confusing you with another Jeff?)

You're "Jazz" style is certainly my favorite...I try to emulate your style, and I'm not even a drummer!

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