WaveOhhh
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 236
Plantation, FL
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Posted on Aug 30 2006 12:21 PM
The Fin-Dicators have a beach gig coming up in September at Manasquan, NJ. We will be playing at the Surfrider Foundation Classic Longboard Contest at noon while the contest takes a break. We want to play up closer top the beach but I'm afraid the 20 or 30 amp service and extention chord will only stretch what 100 feet before a lot of power loss.
HAs anyone played outdoor gigs using a generator (brushless I hope)?
Playing outdoors you need as much power as possible and a good backdrop because the sound evaporates if no bounced back.
Any help/advice would be appreciated.
- Cliff Woodbeach
www.theFinDicators.com
— What day is Surf Rock's birthday? Looks like Surf Rock and I was born the same year. Maybe we are both Libras?
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on Aug 31 2006 07:31 AM
Hi Cliff, You will want to use a voltage regulator. I have a Furman AR-117. The new model has a slightly different model number. It will give 117V output regulation, with a cleaned up AC sine wave, with the input voltage being between ( can't remember lowest V}, and 142V. If you play on a big stage, and they accidently give you 220V. the Furman regulator will not pass it to you amps.
These are great to use in clubs with poor AC power. When Slacktone plays gigs like 4th of July parades, etc. where a generator is used, I watch the input voltage meter on the Furman regulator swing from lowest to the highest readout.
Don't toast those Showmans!
-dave
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WaveOhhh
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 236
Plantation, FL
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Posted on Aug 31 2006 08:55 AM
Dave,
I've been meaning to get a Furman voltage "conditioner" especially because the the pull-out lights are useful for fiddling around with wires on a dark stage.
How big was the generator you used and what wattage were you drawing. I can use a 2500 watt generator and will draw 13500 watts.
I have a very loud '70's master volume Fender (evil) Twin that will use for the beach gig. Its official as of this morning that The Fin-Dicators have that SF contest gig. I feel sorry for the drummer who will be cleaning sand out of his bass and high-hat pedals but I guess its what you have to sacrifice for your art.
Regards,
— What day is Surf Rock's birthday? Looks like Surf Rock and I was born the same year. Maybe we are both Libras?
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on Aug 31 2006 07:18 PM
The furman one space regulators can handle 1500 watts. That;'s about 15 amps of current draw. Your amps will be well under that. The furmans with the pull out lights are not regulators. Have fun at the gig!
-dave
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Twangler
Joined: Mar 26, 2006
Posts: 147
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Posted on Sep 06 2006 11:52 PM
I was recently talking to an amp tech who said more damage can be done feeding too little power than too much. I have no idea if that's BS or not, but the voltage regulator is quality advice.
We did a few gigs using genrators and suffered from power irregularities causing the volume to rise and fall like swells on the open water.
Good Luck,
Spanky
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WaveOhhh
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 236
Plantation, FL
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Posted on Sep 07 2006 12:06 PM
OK, I checked Furman, an AC-15, the 15 amp job is (gasp) over $1000.
I've got to sell a lot of t-shirts to make that kind of dough. Maybe if I go to the electronic salvage place I can get one for much less without the fancy Furman LEDs and pull-out lights.
— What day is Surf Rock's birthday? Looks like Surf Rock and I was born the same year. Maybe we are both Libras?
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on Sep 10 2006 06:55 PM
It's not that much.. here's an example: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AR15/
There's no pull-out lights, those are not regulators.
-dave
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11046
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Sep 10 2006 11:59 PM
Dave , do you hear a difference in your amp merely by plugging it into this unit, as other people claim?
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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chad3006
Joined: Aug 21, 2006
Posts: 76
USA
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Posted on Sep 11 2006 01:27 PM
This is a little off topic, but I thought it was interesting.
My wife and I were recently at a "Green" energy thing where I noticed some performers using solar powered setups. I didn't ask any details and their setups were very minimalistic to be sure. Such a setup for a full-out rock performance would be cost prohibitive I would imagine.
Perhaps someone rents out these things?
http://www.citnet.org/newsletters/2005-02/solar.aspx
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SlacktoneDave
Joined: Jul 01, 2006
Posts: 657
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Posted on Sep 12 2006 12:06 AM
When using a regulator, not hearing a difference is what you're looking for. Your bias will remain correct, and most of all, bad generator power with it's distruction of the AC waveform, and fluctuating voltage swings, can't smoke your amp!
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WaveOhhh
Joined: Apr 24, 2006
Posts: 236
Plantation, FL
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Posted on Sep 14 2006 07:26 AM
AR-15 for like $600, thats less than what I paid for the Twin, and its easier to carry around.
As it turns out, the town will attach a 110V line to the pole and the event will run "on the grid". Whew, no power fluctuation worries and stray eddy currents, (hopefully).
— What day is Surf Rock's birthday? Looks like Surf Rock and I was born the same year. Maybe we are both Libras?
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