Seamoor, that's a lot of interesting information and ideas, thank you!

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Lost Diver

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oestmann
I dunno, I think the start of a song is still a bit of a mystery (why some ideas burn inside waiting to get out) but then you have to put in the hard work to get it crafted into a better shape...

I am definitely on the side of the Mystery. I just want to hear more good music..

The key question isn't "What fosters creativity?" But it is why in God's name isn't everyone creative? Where was the human potential lost? How was it crippled? I think therefore a good question might be not why do people create? But why do people not create or innovate? We have got to abandon that sense of amazement in the face of creativity, as if it were a miracle if anybody created anything.--Abraham Maslow

Creativity is a type of learning process where the teacher and pupil are located in the same individual.--Arthur Koestler

When I am working on a problem I never think about beauty. I only think about how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong.--Buckminster Fuller

Creativity arises out of the tension between spontaneity and limitations, the latter (like the river banks) forcing the spontaneity into the various forms which are essential to the work of art...--Rollo May

A successful work of art is not one which resolves contradictions in a spurious harmony, but one which expresses the idea of harmony negatively by embodying the contradictions, pure and uncompromised, in its innermost structure.--Theodore Adorno

Creativity is more than just being different. Anybody can play weird--that's easy. What's hard is to be as simple as Bach. Making the simple complicated is commonplace--making the complicated simple, awesomely simple--that's creativity.--Charles Mingus

SeeMore Glass
The Iterators

I usually get "will you just shut that @#$%^ guitar up"!

Tim O
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I suspected that about Zappa...

I'm a bit coy about posting my thoughts on creativity because I'm a hobby musician among the big guns, or big guitars I should say, but I'm interested in the creative process...so here's a couple more thoughts...

creativity is usually - 1% inspiration 99% perspiration

One of the best way to write a "surf instro" is to beg, steal and borrow off your favourite music and then put your own stamp on it - there wouldn't be a genre (is that how you spell genre?) of surf if people didn't copy off of each other. I hear a tune and say to myself -"I want to do that!" though not outloud but in the recesses of my 'subliminal creative unconscious'; if that was actually a real phrase.

So endeth my brief, and yet somehow mildly passionate, discourse

Tim O
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oestmann
I hear a tune and say to myself -"I want to do that!" though not outloud but in the recesses of my 'subliminal creative unconscious'; if that was actually a real phrase.

There, I think you have reached the heart of the matter. 'Inspiration'. It can be almost anything, but the net result is some impulse to express yourself--the thing that inspired you provokes an upwelling need to express the feeling. I suspect that, for many, it isn't "I want to do that" exactly, i.e. copy what I hear--but be able to express the power that has moved me. To speak the language of that which spoke to me...

It must be like the first CaveMan that was shown fire, or realized that fire could be tamed, managed, created, mastered, even with the knowledge that fire was dangerous and could hurt you bad, even kill you. What did the first people who saw fire, think of it? How long before they discovered it could be put to use? How long before they discovered it's secrets? How to make it? How to contain it? How to keep it caged?

So here you are, for the first time, hearing something that turns you on that makes you say(somewhere) I want to do that. And you get a guitar--and then what? This is not going to be as easy as you thought. Between the initial spark--and the ability to express powerful feelings--is way more than 40 miles of bad road. But the "I want to do that" is the fire demon in the cage--it is the locomotive that drives the whole enterprise.

In Hindu culture, they have an idea that they call the Gunas. There are 3 Gunas: Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas--they are the fundamental building blocks of the Universe--the basic elements that everything is made from. The goal in Ayurvedic medicine, or Yogic diet, is to bring the Gunas into balance. The first time I ever heard the idea, this guitar hero of mine explained it like this--You get an idea, that's Sattvic, and you want to express this idea, that is Rajasic, and then you have to move your fingers on the strings, and there you enter the realm of the Tamasic. Imagine the same thing with a sculptor: He gets an image in his mind, and goes to work, chipping and chipping away at the big stone. The idea is Sattva--the energy to express that idea is Rajas--and the inertial mass to be chipped and sanded and shaped is Tamas.

When you first start out-- your ability to weild Rajas to manipulate Tamas is overwhelmed by Tamasic inertia--you can hardly even connect it to the Sattvic--but over time, the Tamas is transformed, and a space is created within which the Sattvic can be purely manifested. These ideas run throughout Indian classical music which is the mother of all Gypsy, or Rom music. Ultimately, you want to transform Tamas and Rajas into Sattva. That's how you put the Sattva in Bodhisattva...

Seamoor Glas
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Brian
When are the Iterators getting a myspace page?

Ah, but this would take me away from composition--the only part of music that I truly enjoy. Today I will compose a couple of tunes. I will work on it for about an hour and capture it using 1-bit dff format. Later this week I will get together with my partners in crime and we will review what we've done this week. But I've become like the Widow of the Winchester fortune. I have to hear the sound of hammers banging to drive off the ghosts of the Winchester dead. I don't wanna hafta put up music on a web page. That sounds like work. When I started this experiment--I began with a certain surmise--why the artistic output of different artists varied widely. Frank Lloyd Wright designed the Guggenheim when he was 95. Kurt Vonnegut gave up writing and became a line artist for the next 25 years. Frank Zappa composed volumes of work relentlessly in a space of 25 years. Other artists produce a flurry of work like fireworks--Syd Barrett, fr isntance, and then never produce another thing. Many famous musicians show the evolution of craft, only to reach a peak, and then follow a long slow decline. I would argue that is the pattern of the Rolling Stones--but I don't really want to argue the point.

I wanted to know the secret of those guys whose work consisted of a non stop, ever rising, never ending, trajectory. One of my surmises is that they stayed in the idea laboratory and left the packaging marketing and promotion to others. All those banal aspects of commerce are brutal to the spirit of creativity, which is a shy and delicate creature preferring moonlight in the garden of forking paths rather than the fierce sun at high noon in the marketplace of the casbah.

I was an entrepreneur once--and my business was based on many years of laboratory research and development. I loved working in the lab, I loved solving problems and addressing the new challenges. But once the business was self sustaining and growing I became overwhelmed by ordinary business concerns related to accounts payable and receivable. It was just a business. It killed all of my enthusiasm, entirely and after 7 years I walked away from it and began a new career from the bottom rung. It was a very expensive, but very valuable life lesson. One I shall not forget.

I get EVERYTHING out of the act of creating new stuff. I get nothing from showing it to others. I don't do it for the consumption of others. I do it to learn the secrets of the Universe. Oh, we burn disks and exchange them with friends, to share what we've been up to--But the fantasy of a public presence, taking on gigs, putting out cd's, putting up a website--would take us away from our core passions without giving us anything in return.

Don't misunderstand me. I am not disparaging the goal of becoming a public institution--I love all these guys with the drive to create a band, gig, make cd's, tour, and become icons--I buy their cd's and go see them perform in public--it just isn't MY goal. I found the fountain of youth, and I'm stickin by it.

And there is a superstitious fear that if I left the gold mine to go to town to cash in my goods, I wouldn't be able to find my way back. It has happened to more than one artist who then ended up wandering in the wilderness for the rest of their days, searching for what they once had and lost. That's the Bob Dylan story in a nutshell--like something out of Greek mythology.

Seamoor Glas
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wooza
So... no myspace?

Science friction burns my fingers.

Seamoor, we're not operating in a vaccuum here. If you're going to engage the forum in long conversations and expect appropriate responses, we have to know to whom we speak. I have a pretty good sense of where all the active members on this forum are musically and it shapes my interpretation and responses to their posts. You can continue to be enigmatic, but you'll find less and less meaningful exchange.

Danny Snyder

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Seamoor,
I don't know you, I don't know your music. You hide behind a screen name and talk about a band that doesn't exist. All we are saying is, let's hear what you've got, otherwise those long posts are meaningless. Let's hear if your music is as original as your posts.
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I wonder if Seamore is a guy from Cowabunga's past.

maybe in a band called the Swiss family skiers?
or something like that?

I could be wrong.

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