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I've been playing a bit over a year now, and though I was able to take some lessons for a few months, I feel like that I'm just not making much progress lately in my playing. I'm not going to have any time to take lessons over the summer either. So I was wondering if anyone knows some good books or any other helpful stuff that really helped them in their playing? I've got a few books, like Guitar for Skeptics and they've been really helpful, but I'm really looking for something that can provide some good techniques and hints. The reason I ask is that all the music stores have racks full of books and programs, and before I go and buy 100s of dollars worth of them, I'd like to know if theres really anything out there that stands out from the crowd. Thanks a lot.

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The Guitar Handbook helped me learn a bunch about guitar...after 20 years, I still pull that thing out!

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Chord Chemistry by Ted Greene is way cool. The cover looks...well, kind of hippie-ish...but I've been using this one for over 20 years too...there's a lot of learning in this little book.

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Fretboard Logic is pretty cool...been working on this one for about a year...seems like there's plenty here to keep you busy for a long time.

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Any of the Fredrick Noad stuff is good...

Last edited: May 06, 2008 10:38:08

Oh yeah, I forgot...the best guitar book ever is: "Zen Guitar"...
but, it has no music lessons per se...rather it discusses the philosophy of proper guitar playing...

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Zen Guitar Virtual Dojo

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thanks, I'll see if the shop has any of those.

Ted Green has called chord chemistry "chord confusion." If you want to work on technique, I would recommend books by Fredrick Noad, like dp suggested.

If you are feeling like getting a good work out and building crazy chops, try this one: Pumping Nylon, by Scott Tennant.

Is guitar your first instrument?

It was my first and I moved along for about a year and then hit a wall I could not over come for about 9 months, after which my playing exploded. I was about 13 years old at the time. Don't fret (no pun intended), just hang in there and try not to kick over your music stand.

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Ted Green has called chord chemistry "chord confusion." If you want to work on technique, I would recommend books by Fredrick Noad, like dp suggested.

If you are feeling like getting a good work out and building crazy chops, try this one: Pumping Nylon, by Scott Tennant.

Is guitar your first instrument?

It was my first and I moved along for about a year and then hit a wall I could not over come for about 9 months, after which my playing exploded. I was about 13 years old at the time. Don't fret (no pun intended), just hang in there and try not to kick over your music stand.

Wow! I'm impressed. Who is this guy?

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

Having helped numerous kids (I'm not saying your a kid, maybe you are maybe you're not) along over the years, I would advise you to put the guitar down for a month and study some theory. Especially early on in the learning process I always saw kids come back from vacation and be so much more fluid, playing the stuff they already know "out of their heads" as the tennis guys in the 70s used to say.

Probably has something to do with the fact that just like other bad habits you've learned "tension", and "anxiety" alongside the licks you've learned. Especially if you're mostly self taught. A slight break can help disassociate those nasty things from the muscle memory and you come back thinking "I didn't play that well before did I?

Just something I've seen time and time again. If you can't make it a month, try two weeks. I can almost guarantee you'll be playing the same songs you always do the way you always wanted to play them...

What? Yeah... I do have multiple degrees in Psychology Twisted Evil

A book that I have been enjoying is Arlen Roth's Masters of the Telecaster. It is an overview of tricks and techniques of Telecaster players from the inception of the instrument. It's my go to when I am bored with practicing my bands' songs. It mostly covers blues, country and rockabilly styles.

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While I'm hesitant to offer advice since my skills are limited to rhythm guitar, I can tell you about what has worked for me. People learn in lots of different ways and I'm more tactile in my learning technique so I found that having a good chord book close by (some of the ones mentioned are good) and then just sitting down and figuring the chord progressions out as I listened to my favorite music worked best. Mind you, I studied art and music in college and my music professors marveled that I couldn't seem to "get it" when it came to reading music but could listen to a piece and figure it out on the guitar fairly well. Heck, even my country music partner has tried and tried to teach me the Nashville Numbering System and it just doesn't sink in. But play it once for me and I've got it. I have been known to hound a more talented player to show me how he playes a certain lick or progression and then I emulate him. Most of those guys have been more than agreeable to lending a hand.

Maybe a combination of just working it out on your own, asking some more accomplished players to show you their techniques and formal lessons can help you get to where you want to be. Bottom line is that if you want it bad enough... and are willing to work at it regularly... you'll get it.

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Ted Green has called chord chemistry "chord confusion." If you want to work on technique, I would recommend books by Fredrick Noad, like dp suggested.

from "Guitar Teacher" website:

"...His magnum opus, Chord Chemistry, shows how Greene could see the fretboard from a multitude of angles and includes lucid explanations of chord theory and chord substitution. Both thoughtful and exhaustive, this book is recommended reading for anyone looking to secure an advanced understanding of guitar theory..."

'Chord Chemistry' is an in-depth read...and I can see why even Greene himself might call it "chord confusion"...it's totally heavy, man... but, there are a ton of interesting ideas in that book...and it's funny how, as I keep learning new musical ideas, I keep returning to Greene's book for elaboration and explanation...

I have noticed if I take a week or two off, I do seem to play better sometimes. Anyway, my wife thinks I'm a kid, though I'm 33. This is the first instrument that I have been totally serious about playing, (drums excluded,) and my first endeavor in music since I finished high school 15 years ago. I'm trying to study the guitar related music theory stuff, and I understand that, but translating it from the book to my hands is the tricky part right now. I really appreciate everyone's suggestions, so thanks a lot! With finals and everything the next couple of weeks (I'm finishing up grad school) it might be a good time to take a guitar break. We'll see how it goes.

Rather than books, I make a list of songs I'd like to figure out and have at it by ear. You'll learn more about the music you like than you can from a generic book.

Danny Snyder

"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo

Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta

Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party

Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF

i do the same, im not ath used to books because i was always self taught and when i try to learn advanced stuff from a book i dont understand it because i never learned the basics to begin with haha

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I'll second what Danny and Zanti recommended. It's different for everyone - stuff like Fretboard Logic and Richard Lloyd's Alchemical Guitarist columns may be helpful and great to some, but for me it's like trying to read a foreign language. The most helpful - and beneficial - practice method is learning songs. It's much more practical and musical than running scales or dexterity exercises.

If you think the rut is coming more from what you're playing, try learning songs from a different style or genre. When I was starting out, I'd get frustrated trying to learn songs that were way above my level, like "Journey to the Stars" or "Misirlou." Instead, I'd go learn a Ramones album.

-Warren

That was excessively violent and completely unnecessary. I loved it.

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I've gone here for free videos that are emailed to you as well as chord charts and chord dictionaries that you can print. Of course he wants your $$ (who doesn't) and wants to sell you instructional dvd's but he gives away alot of freebies and takes the B.S. out of learning guitar. Beware of his sometimes "off color" remarks if you are politically correct or easily offended. He posts his free lessons on youtube. Go here Arrow www.australianguitarlessons.com

Or you can look into something like this on ebay. imagehttp://cgi.ebay.com/Fretlight-FG-431-Vintage-Guitar-Black-B-Stock-

My recommendation is to try and jam with other people - especially if they are into different stuff than you. Broadening your exposure to different styles is a great way of getting out of a rut. Even learning and playing covers you wouldn't normally play is good. One of the things that made Hendrix so special was he bought aspects of the country, soul and whatever else he'd learnt from playing in a showband into his own music.

Also you can learn something from nearly everyone you play with. I have often picked something up from someone who couldn't play very much but had a certain way of doing something. Now I regularly teach guitar, It comes as no suprise to me that sometimes it's me who learns something from a student.

I also second DP's vote for the Ralph Denyer Guitar book. I got it for my birthday over 20 years ago and now I recommend it to all my pupils; there's a lot of stuff in there.

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In a previous thread, someone mentioned the Tascam MP3 Guitar Trainer.

Its helped me w/ my practice, especially the track slow-down & segment clipping features. I've wired it into my stereo as I play.

I'm still struggling, but my last night instructor gave me a kudos. So I'm slowly getting there. (Plus, I've got him into The Ventures!)

I've got one of those TASCAM CD trainers, I love it.

Hopefully I can find some people to jam with after I move this summer. Maybe there will be some other teachers who play; at the school where I did my internship, all of the science teachers played (the sponsors for the battle of the bands and guitar club are science teachers) Who said we all have to wear lab coats and pocket protectors?

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