ozboomer
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
Posts: 80
Blackburn, Australia
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Posted on Mar 24 2008 01:45 AM
Howdy, everyone.. and apologies if this is the wrong area for this posting...
Well, I've been "back" into Surf music for a few years now and although I've collected the SurfGuitar101 compilations and have discovered a number of great contemporary bands, thanks to Tsunami Soul and other great on-line radio shows, I would like to grab some more examples of "Classic Surf" music.
Ok, I already have some CDs of The Shadows, The Ventures, some Dick Dale and others (courtesy of "Pulp Fiction"), as well as some of the very few local surf bands (The Atlantics, etc).. but what to do about grabbing some tracks of the earlier groups? The Chantays, The Pyramids, The Surfaris, Link Wray, etc might be found in the "cheapo bins" of '60s music and such at the local music shops... but maybe there are some on-line places from which I can grab some tracks?
Now, as I'm not in the USA, most of the "preview" sites (like amazon.com, last.fm, pandora, imeem(I think), etc) have licensing restricitons so I couldn't buy any .mp3 files anyway.. and BigPond music doesn't cover the music I want, so does anyone NOT in the USA have any suggestions for preview/purchase sites that I can look at to see if I can buy just the tracks I want? What with CDBABY, MySpace, surfmusic.com and, of course, SurfGuitar101.com, I have plenty of ways to collect contemporary surf music directly from the bands, so that's no problem..
Oh.. and one of the favourite forum questions, repeated again ... What "classic" bands SHOULD I be looking for anyway (THIS is something for the wiki, for SURE!)
Thanks for any clues, folks...
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Kawentzmann
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 1062
Berlin, Germany
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Posted on Mar 24 2008 05:58 AM
I use LastFM when ever I want to find new stuff. You just enter an artist you like and an audio stream starts playing artists that are being played by other people who like the artist you entered. But there are many error still in the system - but thats due to uninformed listeners. Im afraid music and info are on seperate routes due to recent changes in purchasing habits.
For example you hear lots of Tornados tracks (Telstar) when you enter one artist who was on the soundtrack of Pulp Fiction. Those Tornados have nothing to do with the Tornadoes who WERE on the soundtrack. They are instrumental Rock alright but not in the least surf (except for the Breeze and I maybe, if you like). You only occasionally are presented Bustin Surfboards or the b-side. None of the album tracks! So these spelling errors can create strange connections.
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JakeDobner
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
Posts: 12159
Seattle
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Posted on Mar 24 2008 08:29 AM
iTunes? I know we are on iTunes Europe, I don't know about other bands though. Funnily enough we get paid an extra $3US for an album sale in Europe versus the US.
And while we may not fall into the category of 'classic' my mom says we are 'classic' so I'll drop you a link. http://www.myspace.com/theverb
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19304
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Mar 24 2008 11:46 AM
SunDazed Records has some excellent compilations of 60's bands. There are also some forum threads worth digging up.
You'll want to check out The Lively Ones, The Surfaris, The Original Surfaris, The Belairs, Eddie & The Showmen, The Sentinels, The Nocturnes, The Astronauts....(I'm probably forgetting a bunch).
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bigtikidude
Joined: Feb 27, 2006
Posts: 25597
Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A.
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Posted on Mar 24 2008 03:10 PM
Ace records in the UK has some killer albums and compilations of 60's bands.
I dont know about downloading from them though, check their website.
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planish
Joined: Jan 09, 2008
Posts: 473
Sackville, New Brunswick
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Posted on Mar 28 2008 02:43 AM
If you're willing to put up with less-than-perfect quality audio, you could do what I do.
Search for the band names or song titles on youtube.com and capture the audio to your hard drive, using any number of shareware utilities that can save streaming audio. Or simply plug a patch cord between the computer's headphone (or Line Out) jack and the Line In jack, with a headphone splitter adapter so you can listen to it at the same time as you record it. I use Audacity (freeware, multi-platform) to do the recording and editing, and to export them to MP3. It works even better for streaming music on Myspace.com, which is usually in stereo and better quality.
A few examples from my Bookmarks:
The Dakotas - The Cruel Sea http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDfklma3qFc
The Atlantics - Bombora http://youtube.com/watch?v=7L_gRyywpjY
The Chantays - Pipeline http://youtube.com/watch?v=_VP15xzNBnQ
The Ventures - Diamondhead and Caravan http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VR1ln52_ccM
Dick Dale & The Del Tones - Misirlou http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIU0RMV_II8
Link Wray - Rumble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK4m61CzSD0 - This version from 1978 is fun to watch too - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUHz0i8_ziA . He's not Surf, but hey, he Da Man.
Many of them are clips from old TV shows or movies, some are amateur-produced slide shows of still images to go with music they got from CDs or vinyl records. You may have to check out several of the "Related Videos" to find the best audio quality.
It's good enough to get an idea of the whole tune, or for following along and writing up your own tablature transcriptions. Audacity has the additional feature of being able to stretch out the music without changing the pitch (the "Change Tempo" effect), also to play short selections in a repeating loop, which makes it much easier to figure out how they play it.
And don't forget that SG101's "Offsite Links" menu just to your left: Videos @ YouTube.
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ozboomer
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
Posts: 80
Blackburn, Australia
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Posted on Mar 29 2008 07:21 AM
planish
Search for the band names or song titles on youtube.com and capture the audio to your hard drive... I use Audacity (freeware, multi-platform) to do the recording and editing...
Ooo, yes... I've been doing that... and I use Audacity for my simple backing/practice tracks all the time.. but Fanx! for the suggestion..
I'm gradually building-up a list of (what some consider to be) the 'definitive' bands (at least, if not their tracks)... and that often points me into interesting places, including podcasts, on-line radio shows, YouTube videos, recording sections in local libraries, etc etc.
Heh.. and to think all this started for me in about 1966 with "The March of Tarzan" and "Jungle Jingle" by the Super Dupers (which I reckon sounded like surf music to me, even at 6 years old! -- I think I was watching too much 'Gidget' on TV)... and was rekindled a few years ago by Tom (Hinders)' 'Tsnuami Soul' web site
The search continues...
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4463
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Mar 29 2008 10:30 AM
did anyone else notice that the Chantays clip was from the Lawrence Welk show? Old L.W. was hip from time to time.
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Retroactive_Taj
Joined: Feb 24, 2007
Posts: 69
Lincoln City, Oregon
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Posted on Apr 04 2008 11:50 AM
I own a music store and do all my research on new and old music (in any genre) at <u>AllMusic.com</u> It is a truely amazing database of musical information. Not just bands and album and song names but bios, discographies, similar artists and MORE! The website does an amazing job even for an under-appreciated genre like surf. It is a must know website.
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ozboomer
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
Posts: 80
Blackburn, Australia
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Posted on Apr 04 2008 06:45 PM
RetroactiveTaj_
...do all my research on new and old music (in any genre) at <u>AllMusic.com</u> It is a truely amazing database...
Sheesh. I'll say. I just had a look and found a nice little summary of some of the main surf bands, or so it would seem:
Since I posted this question, I've been scouring various (online/library) sources and have been able to listen to some of the earlier-days music... and it's interesting how a 'taste' for music develops. Some tracks from the Marketts, The Belairs, Chantays, etc give me mixed feelings, whereas the 'revival' groups that have only(!?) been around for a few years appeal to me more, like The Bambi Molesters, Man or Astro-man, etc
I guess this means I have to keep working on my own 'musical genome project', to try and find out what it is, what characteristics there are, that make certain types/styles of Surf Music so appealing.. and THEN I'll be able to start working on developing my OWN take on it... once I get a few more years of real practice/playing under my belt
Thanks for the pointers, everyone...
Edit: FYI, good ol' Wikipedia has pointers to a number of on-line music databases:
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Brian
Joined: Feb 25, 2006
Posts: 19304
Des Moines, Iowa, USA
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Posted on Apr 04 2008 07:56 PM
Be aware that Allmusic.com has been known to be really off in a few cases...
There was an infamous member of widely known Yahoo Group that used to puke large portions of Allmusic.com onto the list at the slightest provocation (without citing sources). Some entries were quite laughable.
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diceophonic
Joined: May 20, 2006
Posts: 2174
PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)
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Posted on Apr 04 2008 11:27 PM
JakeDobner
iTunes? I know we are on iTunes Europe, I don't know about other bands though. Funnily enough we get paid an extra $3US for an album sale in Europe versus the US.
And while we may not fall into the category of 'classic' my mom says we are 'classic' so I'll drop you a link. http://www.myspace.com/theverb
The Verbtones are on Itunes we're traditional/classic you may also find many others on Itunes
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ozboomer
Joined: Sep 27, 2006
Posts: 80
Blackburn, Australia
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Posted on Apr 04 2008 11:30 PM
Hmm... Okie, noted.
Seems like we really DO need an "official lineage" or sumfin' on our wiki... for the newbies and old hands alike..
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