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Anybody own any of these? 335/355, Riviera, Sheraton, 330, Casino?

I'm thinking of dropping $4000 and maybe slightly above in the near future for one of these, probably not the fully hollow ones though. I was wondering what people's thoughts on 70s Gibsons are. Also 60s Epis versus their Gibson counterparts.

If you have the cash to burn for something like that and have no qualms about it, I say go for it.

Me on the other hand, went the Epiphone Dot route and upped the pickups to Gibson 57's. It plays as good as any of the Gibson 335s and sounds just as good...

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Consider the "east coast" surf guitar....... A GUILD! Wheather made in Hoboken NJ or made in Westerley RI, a Starfire IV, V or VI is a dream surf guitar, and an incredible bargain in the vintage world right now. During the 1970's, Guilds were better made than Gibsons, and in the 1960's they rivalled Gibson. A 1965 or 1966 Starfire V or VI would be a nice purchase at $2700 to $3200 or so...... The smaller humbuckers and a floating bridge on the 1960's models are brighter, a little more Gretsch like, nice for surf. The 1970's Starfires (you could score for $1200 to $2200) have full size humbuckers and are more of a 335 sounding guitar with a post tune-o-matic bridge. Check into them, you'll be glad you did!

Actually Jake, you must be aware of the mid 1960's Starfire V in you avitar?

I've definitely considered a Starfire very intensely. The only reason I'd want a 335 or Riviera or Sheraton is because they are one of THE guitars for me. I grew up drooling over them. Also, it isn't for surf guitar. I do find the Guild pickups to sound incredible. Gretsch-like as you said but I almost like them more than Gretsch pickups. They cut through more in my opinion. Personally I wouldn't consider anything other than a 60s Starfire.

Dutch, if you've ever even touched a vintage 335, 355, or Epi then you'd know they don't play as good. While I'm sure it sounds alright with the '57 classics they still don't sound the same as original PAFs in the old wood sprayed with lacquer. Also, the 5-ply tops in the dots don't compare to the single ply in the 335 family.

JakeDobner
Anybody own any of these? 335/355, Riviera, Sheraton, 330, Casino?

I'm thinking of dropping $4000 and maybe slightly above in the near future for one of these, probably not the fully hollow ones though. I was wondering what people's thoughts on 70s Gibsons are. Also 60s Epis versus their Gibson counterparts.

Jake, I'm sure you are aware that the Casino and the 330 only have the P-90s (single coil p'ups) as opposed to the Humbuckers in the 335/355 and the Riviera. Actually, the Riviera has the Mini-Humbuckers that were also used in the L.P. Deluxe. Those p'ups were also used on the Gibson Firebirds, BUT w/o the polepiece screws..... Wink

.......make the Mos' of it,
.....choose the 'rite stuff!
.........owner of 9 Mosrites
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I used to have a 1973 ES-335 TD with a bisgby. It was a great guitar for everything except surf. A friend has a 1979 ES-335 with the trapeze and a coil tap (does that make it an ES-347?) which is more versatile sounding.

Currently I've got a korean Epi Riviera with GFS Liverpool pickups and a bigsby, a bit twangier. Nice, but not in the same ballpark of playability and quality as the vintage Gibson models.

Keep in mind with the Casinos, 330s and earlier Starfires that the neck join is deeper and you don't have the same access high up the neck as with 335s and later Starfires.

I have a 1967 ES-345, and it's a bit mellow compared to a 335. I am about to buy a 2006 ES-335 Memphis Dot RI for $1,900. I've played those and they play SWEET. You cannot compare the Epi's...not even close. Epi has a basball bat neck and feels chunky, muted and deadened compared to the Gibson.

Now a little secret: I bought a Jay Turser T-133, cherry red. NICE guitar.....very close copy of a 335 and with a similar tapered then 60's neck. I took it to LA's formost luthier and he's changing out ALL the electronics with SD '59's, CTS pots, a Nashville bridge and a strat pu in the middle for an ALvin Lee mod that I have always wanted to do.

The Jay Turser cost $178 NEW. The mods are $400 with a set up/fret dress.
The workmanship, yellowed-aged binding and playability of the Turser is surpisngly nice. It's slightly LIGHTER than the Gibson 335.

I'm still getting the Gibson ES-335 though just to have the real thing...adn then that TOO will get a strat pu in the middle!!!

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In January, I purchased this ES335 on eBay. I've been very satisfied with the quality of the instrument and, like you, it's been on my list of "THE guitars" to obtain .

I've found it to be a very versatile instrument, capable of some great tones, the maple centre-block gives it some great sustain, and I still get a bit of a thrill looking down and seeing a 335 in my hands. As you've indicated, it might not be the first choice for surf, but it certainly holds its own in other styles.

Certainly the various Epiphone, Hamer, Turser, etc. models can be improved through hardware upgrades.

Cheers,
Chuck

Nice catch! Great price, man. Those go for $1,900 new!

Give yourself a tease: Spend $180 and buy a new Jay Turser t-133 off Ebay and A/B it with your new 335. You will be amused.

I'm holding out for the full-out cherry figured finish. My ideal would be the one with block inlays (mid 60's RI 335) but that's $2,400 new and I can't find them used anywhere. Now I found a never played/plastic still-on the pickguard 2006 335 just 45 miles from LA so I can test it first. $1,900 (goes for $2,700 new).

I plan to have it "alvin Lee'd"-out with a middle strat pu and a rewiring of the pots to allow me to roll the ssl in and out for more distortion when desired. Listen to Alvin Lee's live sound on Youtube. OMG.

I am searching for a Peace Symbol sticker just like the one he had and which comes on the $3,600 Gibosn Alvin Lee Signature "Bog Red" es-335. If anyone knows where to find one please gimmer a holler.

g

One thing you can do (but you have to be a bit of an odd-ball like me), is look for some of the late sixties/early seventies japanese Gibson copies. I've read that some of these (depending on which brand/where they were built), are as good in quality, if not better then the Gibsons built at the same time.

I have a 1965 Lyle ES-335 copy that is in immaculate shape and sounds wonderful. The biggest difference on it is that it has a tremolo tailpiece with a "strat" style arm that is about a foot long, and it has the large single coils found in a lot of the japanese guitars. I should mention that I used to have an Epiphone Dot (older one with neck-thru construction), and I've found this Lyle to have a richer tone then the Dot did.

May be blasphemy to some, but just my 0.02

-H8b

I have a ES347 I bought new in 79. It has the coil tap to put the humbuckers in single coil. It really won't do surf very well but it is nice to have around for a change of pace. When I first bought I was kinda disappointed with it because it had a dull dead tone to it. But I think alot of it was because the wood in the body was still "green" and not dried out so to speak. I know today, 20 some odd years later, it sounds much better than when I bought it. Has a real singing compressed sound about it. Those F holes really facilitate letting the wood dry out. Also, it has the best action and playability of any of the guitars I own. Which may not be saying much.

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P2gee
I have a ES347 I bought new in 79. It has the coil tap to put the humbuckers in single coil. It really won't do surf very well but it is nice to have around for a change of pace. When I first bought I was kinda disappointed with it because it had a dull dead tone to it. But I think alot of it was because the wood in the body was still "green" and not dried out so to speak. I know today, 20 some odd years later, it sounds much better than when I bought it. Has a real singing compressed sound about it. Those F holes really facilitate letting the wood dry out. Also, it has the best action and playability of any of the guitars I own. Which may not be saying much.

I wonder if that was the problem with my Dot. I found it to be very dull, and it even had Dimarzio pickups in it (not installed by me).

-H8b

Flowmaster G,
Check out the Gibson ES stock at Wildwood Guitars on their website. I think they have the block inlay cherry finish Memphis-made available.
I had a 335 but had to sell it at one point, and regret it. One of these days.....
I originally bought it from Dennis the Menace many many moons ago.

If I had to pick just one of my long-lost guitars of the past to have back, it would be my Gibson ES-330. It was tobacco sunburst dot-neck with black P90 pickups and a Bigsby. It was simply the best-sounding, most versatile, coolest-looking guitar I ever owned. I'd even pick it over my '66 Jag. I wouldn't necessarily perform with it in my surf band, but I'd use it everywhere else (including recording with my surf band!).

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NoisyDad
If I had to pick just one of my long-lost guitars of the past to have back, it would be my Gibson ES-330. It was tobacco sunburst dot-neck with black P90 pickups and a Bigsby. It was simply the best-sounding, most versatile, coolest-looking guitar I ever owned. I'd even pick it over my '66 Jag. I wouldn't necessarily perform with it in my surf band, but I'd use it everywhere else (including recording with my surf band!).

NoisyDad, the biggest problem I had with mine was, that it was noisy. Yeah, you definitely COULD NOT REPLACE THE TONE that the P-90's created (big fat warm sound that could get nasty if you purposely overdrove the preamp {think Pete Townsend's SG Special}). But I always had to deal with the infamous P-90's noise (just shy of 60 cycle noise...well, maybe not that bad) when playing with the amp cranked. Hats off to my Jag that wasn't near as noisy, BUT, also not near as warm sounding unless you did some serious re-EQing on the amp. But the Jag is what it is, and so is the 330, two different animals, and they both made their mark in Rock and Roll History.
And yeah, I did the old stuffing the 330 to try to decrease feedback problems on stage, and that worked, but it could not correct the hum, because of it being a different problem....but I still miss both of them! Sad
p.s. BTW, that might be a lesson for everyone here, in which it has been mentioned 2, 3, or a million times already, but, THINK TWICE B4 you get rid of any of your gear, 'cause you JUST MIGHT NEED IT in a later project down the road that you might not of thought about at the time..... Shocked

.......make the Mos' of it,
.....choose the 'rite stuff!
.........owner of 9 Mosrites
proud owner and documented:
1963 "The Ventures" Model s/n# 0038
http://www.vintagerock4.com
www.mosriteforum.com

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