Fender Jaguar pickups

diceophonic

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Posted on May 31 2006 02:01 AM

I have a ? for Jaguar players, I have heard this myth that Jaguar pickups have a lack of sustain because of the claws???
I don't notice it?? any thoughts?

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WindanseaBeachBoy

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Posted on May 31 2006 10:22 AM

My Jaguar has a lot less sustain than my old Strat or my custom Jazzmaster. Can't say if that has anything to do with my pickups, tho. I tend to think it has more to do with the bridge, the tremelo, and the fact that I use a BuzzStop. My custom Jag has a Strat-style tremelo, and sustain for days. I suppose the best way to "test" the theory would be to put Jag pickups in a Strat and see if it sustains as long as the Strat with its original pickups.

Of course, the rapid decay is part of the Jaguar signature sound...

Just my Â¢.2

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Posted on May 31 2006 10:43 AM

Kyle I wouldn't worry about changing the pickups for more sustain. The short scale, the bridge, and the neck angle are what really make the Jaguar for it's loss of sustain. Play your Jaguar unplugged and then play your Stratocaster unplugged.

The Jaguar has a lot of handicaps, but if you know them I think they still make great guitars. A non-surf related topic, I've been trying to practice my fingerstlye rockabilly/country guitar. I don't have a Telecaster anymore and my Gretsch needs work. So I've been playing the Jaguar. It doesn't work so great for the light string bending stuff that James Burton did, and I almost put it down and tried a different guitar. But with the heavy flats, shorter scale, and trem unit I can do some more Cliff Gallup inspired runs. Moral of the story sometimes there's a place for every guitar.

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diceophonic

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Posted on May 31 2006 11:05 AM

Killer feedback guys! hhhmmm yes! I'll test my Jag next to the strat.

Hey Bill Johnny Fortune rockabilly/chet, picks on a Jaguar and a Gretsch
I use my Jaguar for rockabilly and it rocks man! it has that tele twang and the jag trem is almost like a bigsby too a 1 spring action

off the topic as well when I was looking around the net for the sustain deal
I came across this review on CIJ pickups I foung this funny LOL

Reason for pickup change: The original japanese made pickups were thin sounding and obscenely microphonic: they would react to any amount of gain by squealing like horny pigs. Since fender made vintage reissue jaguar pickups have been in "intergalactic back order" for many moons now, I decided to give Mr. Novak a try.

Any feedback on Curtis Novak custom pickups for Jaguar??
http://www.novaks.org

the source on the quote
http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data2/Curtis_Novaks/Jaguar-Pickups-01.html

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Anonymous

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Posted on May 31 2006 12:18 PM

Good thread Dice.

my only complaint with my AV RI Jag is the lack of sustain. However, I have been playin les pauls, and other quality humbucking guitars for many years, that are know for killer sustain. This has been my bench for comparison.

I have yet to have a pro set-up, but i heard this can help. There are also plenty of mods out there for jaguars, not that i am willing to do at this time. But I am would love to hear feedback from others on this topic.

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Brian

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Posted on May 31 2006 12:32 PM

Naw, the claws got nothing to do with it...they are supposed to "shape" the magnetic field...but the skeptic in me just says they are another gadget on the gadget-laden Jaguar.

Jags aren't supposed to have a lot of sustain. The whole bridge design is wrong for sustain. Not that there is anything wrong with that.

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DannySnyder

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Posted on May 31 2006 01:29 PM

Who needs sustain with all that REVERB!!??

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skeeter

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Posted on May 31 2006 01:52 PM

Yes! Sustain is over-rated.

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WR

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Posted on Jun 01 2006 01:03 AM

WindanseaBeachBoy
I suppose the best way to "test" the theory would be to put Jag pickups in a Strat and see if it sustains as long as the Strat with its original pickups.

Of course, the rapid decay is part of the Jaguar signature sound...

Just my Â¢.2

Gavin

I did that and it gives as much sustain as a decent set of strat pups. so, 'what everybody else said' ...

WR

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diceophonic Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 2174 PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)	Posted on May 31 2006 02:01 AM I have a ? for Jaguar players, I have heard this myth that Jaguar pickups have a lack of sustain because of the claws??? I don't notice it?? any thoughts? — -Kyle Beyond The Surf YouTube channel Beyond The Surf Instagram The Verbtones @ Instagram The Verbtones @ Facebook The Verbtones @ bandcamp Top
WindanseaBeachBoy Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 133 La Playa, Mexico	Posted on May 31 2006 10:22 AM My Jaguar has a lot less sustain than my old Strat or my custom Jazzmaster. Can't say if that has anything to do with my pickups, tho. I tend to think it has more to do with the bridge, the tremelo, and the fact that I use a BuzzStop. My custom Jag has a Strat-style tremelo, and sustain for days. I suppose the best way to "test" the theory would be to put Jag pickups in a Strat and see if it sustains as long as the Strat with its original pickups. Of course, the rapid decay is part of the Jaguar signature sound... Just my Â¢.2 Gavin Top
BillAqua Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 1054 Chicago IL.	Posted on May 31 2006 10:43 AM Kyle I wouldn't worry about changing the pickups for more sustain. The short scale, the bridge, and the neck angle are what really make the Jaguar for it's loss of sustain. Play your Jaguar unplugged and then play your Stratocaster unplugged. The Jaguar has a lot of handicaps, but if you know them I think they still make great guitars. A non-surf related topic, I've been trying to practice my fingerstlye rockabilly/country guitar. I don't have a Telecaster anymore and my Gretsch needs work. So I've been playing the Jaguar. It doesn't work so great for the light string bending stuff that James Burton did, and I almost put it down and tried a different guitar. But with the heavy flats, shorter scale, and trem unit I can do some more Cliff Gallup inspired runs. Moral of the story sometimes there's a place for every guitar. — "as he stepped into the stealthy night air... little did he know the fire escape was not there" https://www.facebook.com/reluctantaquanauts/ https://www.facebook.com/TheDragstripVipers/ Top
diceophonic Joined: May 20, 2006 Posts: 2174 PacNW (Vancouver, Wa U.S.A.)	Posted on May 31 2006 11:05 AM Killer feedback guys! hhhmmm yes! I'll test my Jag next to the strat. Hey Bill Johnny Fortune rockabilly/chet, picks on a Jaguar and a Gretsch I use my Jaguar for rockabilly and it rocks man! it has that tele twang and the jag trem is almost like a bigsby too a 1 spring action off the topic as well when I was looking around the net for the sustain deal I came across this review on CIJ pickups I foung this funny LOL Reason for pickup change: The original japanese made pickups were thin sounding and obscenely microphonic: they would react to any amount of gain by squealing like horny pigs. Since fender made vintage reissue jaguar pickups have been in "intergalactic back order" for many moons now, I decided to give Mr. Novak a try. Any feedback on Curtis Novak custom pickups for Jaguar?? http://www.novaks.org the source on the quote http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data2/Curtis_Novaks/Jaguar-Pickups-01.html — -Kyle Beyond The Surf YouTube channel Beyond The Surf Instagram The Verbtones @ Instagram The Verbtones @ Facebook The Verbtones @ bandcamp Top
Anonymous Joined: Nov 10, 2000 Posts: -180	Posted on May 31 2006 12:18 PM Good thread Dice. my only complaint with my AV RI Jag is the lack of sustain. However, I have been playin les pauls, and other quality humbucking guitars for many years, that are know for killer sustain. This has been my bench for comparison. I have yet to have a pro set-up, but i heard this can help. There are also plenty of mods out there for jaguars, not that i am willing to do at this time. But I am would love to hear feedback from others on this topic. Top
Brian Joined: Feb 25, 2006 Posts: 19286 Des Moines, Iowa, USA	Posted on May 31 2006 12:32 PM Naw, the claws got nothing to do with it...they are supposed to "shape" the magnetic field...but the skeptic in me just says they are another gadget on the gadget-laden Jaguar. Jags aren't supposed to have a lot of sustain. The whole bridge design is wrong for sustain. Not that there is anything wrong with that. — Site dude - S3 Agent #202 Need help with the site? SG101 FAQ - Send me a private message - Email me "It starts... when it begins" -- Ralf Kilauea Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA	Posted on May 31 2006 01:29 PM Who needs sustain with all that REVERB!!?? — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
skeeter Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 2063 Virginia, USA	Posted on May 31 2006 01:52 PM Yes! Sustain is over-rated. -Paul — Paul Atomic Mosquitos Bug music for bug people is here! Killers from Space Top
WR Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 3832 netherlands	Posted on Jun 01 2006 01:03 AM WindanseaBeachBoy I suppose the best way to "test" the theory would be to put Jag pickups in a Strat and see if it sustains as long as the Strat with its original pickups. Of course, the rapid decay is part of the Jaguar signature sound... Just my Â¢.2 Gavin I did that and it gives as much sustain as a decent set of strat pups. so, 'what everybody else said' ... WR — Rules to live by #314: "When in Italy, if the menu says something's grilled, don't assume it is." https://www.facebook.com/The-Malbehavers-286429584796173/ Top

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