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Joined: Feb 27, 2006 Posts: 25581 Anaheim(So.Cal.)U.S.A. |
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I did. I was stoked that Jon Blair mentioned my old band Surf Report in one of the discussions (I think it was from '94 or something.) —Ryan |
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do you have your # 2 pencil ready, Jeff(bigtikidude) —Jeff(bigtikidude) |
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 365 Reno, NV |
I skimmed these and read a couple of great sections. Hats off to all the contributors who for the most part were spot-on in their commentaries. And look, we really haven't lost anyone since. Cosmik Debris was among the first "enlightened" periodicals to recognize the significant resurgence of Surf in the 90s. Surf is like an ever-growing community. Join and catch up on such a rich history and contribute to it's posterity. Everybody up! |
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Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11054 Berkeley, CA |
Ferenc, self deprecation doesn't become you. I thought your comments were quite good. I recommend everyone reads this so they can see how far we've fallen since then. We need a resurgence in the biggest way. Will it ever happen? Stay tuned to SG101 to find out. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: Mar 03, 2006 Posts: 648 |
First off, I was, and continue to be, honored to have been invited to be a part of that discussion. Cosmik Debris was the first e-zine to give The Mel-tones any exposure outside Rhode Island, and I'm grateful for DJ's interest when I was still dubbing cassette copies with hand-drawn photocopied sleeves. Second, I don't get a sense that any of us had any dilusions of grandeur, and while we were all enthusiastic to be riding a wave that hadn't yet crested, many of the concerns and limitations to the market then still obtain today. While the wave crested and passed, nothing suggests the tide is out for good. If anything, I think we're much much much better connected today, especially through this great forum, MySpace band pages and youtube videos where I can see bands live performances that I wouldn't otherwise get to see. I don't think anyone's getting rich playing surf music, but we've got the change to find kindred spirits around the world much more effectively than even before, and that's a really great thing. |
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here here Mel, Jeff(bigtikidude) |
Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 5097 San Francisco |
I think the biggest thing that has changed since then is my attitude. When we started I was very optimistic about the genre and proselytizing about how great surf music was. Now I think the concept, need or possibility of a resurgence is moot. Have you noticed <i>anything</i> have a resurgence recently? What I note is expansion of genres laterally rather than new peaks, whether it is rockabilly, garage, or disco. It's like the internet has made it easier to cater to your tastes rather than expose you to new or different possible interests. For instance, it is now possible to never hear a dissenting view of your political viewpoint by tuning into a station that only agrees with you. Back in the day, we had 3 networks and PBS. They had to have different points of view on their news shows because they didn't want to alienate a huge segment of the popultaion. Now you can have a whole network dedicated to a cult. Samething with music- I used to listen to AM radio in the 70s- bubblegum, stax, philly soul, pop I heard it all at once. People have to dig alot harder to get that breadth of music now. Buy Speed of Dark @ Bandcamp |
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Not old Ferenc, wise. Ryan |
Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11054 Berkeley, CA |
I agree with what Ferenc says. I was being a bit tongue in cheek, perhaps combines with a nostagia for my own youthful idealism, which never saw the light of day. It was overwhelmed by my youthful ennui The whole concept of a 'revival' or 'resurgence' is anachronistic. People will hear what they already like, unless accidentally exposed to new (to them) forms of music. And that's the challenge for today's bands, at least the ones interested in finding a new or larger audience. BTW: Tmen have been offered 3 gigs in the last couple days - not too shabby. —Danny Snyder Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF |
Joined: Mar 19, 2006 Posts: 365 Reno, NV |
I have to concur with many of Ferenc's observations about lateral genres and especially Mel's point about being connected. In the 80s, this community was connected with Bob Dalley's newsletter and other missions of mercy which I looked forward to seeing each month. Through Cowabunga, the internet, Reverb Central and SurfGuitar101, etc the Surf "tribe" has become worldwide and more in touch than ever, with friends only one degree of separation on every continent...yet the same dynamics are with us regarding the acceptance of the music. The articles referred to in this thread take you to a period when many forgotten "roots" genres were being re-explored and Surf was one of them. The comments in the articles come from personal perspectives, but also I noted at the time that, in some ways, Surf's rebound was a reaction to some fans and progressive musicians' boredom with mainstream grunge of the era. Surf truly did provide an alternative, creative "Ramones-like" energy boost for what was happening in the underground and Pulp Fiction was gasoline on the fire from the standpoint of fans investigating the genre. If that struck a chord for you and if you were someone turned on by the energy and "novelty" of Man or Astroman? rather than a sleepy Nirvana show, you naturally gravitated towards Surf. Rather than resurgence, I believe the expansion in sheer magnitude (i.e # bands/fans, recordings) and proliferation of the music in media has created it's own mainstream notoriety and sustainability. More people HAVE heard about Surf music in its classic definition by coming in contact through various exposures. TV ads being noteworthy. Los Straitjackets being on Conan have probably scored a big catch from mainstream audiences, but that's just a guess and not to lessen the impact of the worldwide local scenes which have remained potent. I do see the generational ebbs and flows of different types of pop music (e.g. Disco's flare-up in the 00's). But access is broader than ever and people will find what enjoy personally. This trend will not reverse. Your mission is to make the scenes and music happen for you! And like at Duff's or The Utah or Otto's, enough magnitude in Surf to have the club owners think positively about the genre to continue sponsoring it with their venues. So, go forward and twang! -bIG wAvE Dave |
Joined: Sep 02, 2006 Posts: 3166 Denver, CO |
There's something in what you say about modern nichism, Ferenc. I hadn't really thought of it that explicitly, b ut, you're right, that is what the Internet is fostering. But I am not so sure about the Pulp Fiction "boost" having faded. Or even if the connection was a Good Thing. I remember that a couple of hecklers at an AquaSonics performance I attended this summer - just a couple of young drunks, really. They called out to the band, "Can't you play anything but that Pulp Fiction stuff?" Or something like that. It was an odd moment for me, because I never really think of surf music as "Pulp Fiction" music, and I was startled to hear them call it that. I think I'd rather hear someone call out "I hate surf music," instead, because at least then they would seem to know what it was. If there is a resurgence - a resurfacing? - of something like surf music, instrumental music, music with reverb, whatever it might be., it will probably be pretty different sounding. Some fans of classic surf music might not like it, just like some fans of more recent surf music have trouble with saxophones or trumpets or with the old vocal numbers, etc. A wave of new comers looking at everything with fresh eyes can be pretty disconcerting. Or it can be refreshing. So what kind of a resurgence do people want? More classic music afficcionados and venues to suit (surf party re-enactors?), or something wildly popular that has some sort of tenuous connection with classic surf music? Say, a slew of rap songs sampling suf music. (Wait, I think that happened!) One way to look at it might be, what form would a resurgence in Dixieland Jazz take? I have to admit, I could argue any which way on this one. |