JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Jan 10 2025 03:29 PM
A couple of other countries who have implemented desalination:
1. Sydney, Australia
2. Israel - A hot rumor is that the Israelis actually refilled the Sea of Galilee from the Mediterranean Sea via desalination. The Sea of Galilee is actually a lake. It is known as "Lake of Gennesaret".
And I'm reminded of a TV commercial I saw in the 1970s. It had a scientist type reporting that a certain New England town could not drink a glass of water. All that was around was the sea.
He went on about how science provided fresh water.
What made an impression on young me was his closing line:
"Sometimes the answer to a problem is all around you"__ as he looked to the ocean.
There you go, California.
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Posted on Jan 10 2025 05:33 PM
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Padraig
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Posted on Jan 10 2025 10:47 PM
Great addition Art, thanks for posting!
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Samurai
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Posted on Jan 11 2025 04:03 AM
That’s so awful, hope you and your families are safe. Material things may be restored.
Surely ready to help if I can do something.
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stratdancer
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 06:16 AM
Johnny, please present your design for the desalinization plant and critical mapping of the pumping and artery network. Also, present the 10 year budget needed to get the project off the ground. Don't forget to properly size the pumping systems to include all of the elevation changes and friction loss. Sounds like a great idea!
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stratdancer
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 06:20 AM
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JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 09:12 AM
Stratdancer,
I have to think better engineers than myself have a better handle on what you seek.
I could contact more appropriate personnel who have better desalination expertise in Australia, Aruba, Israel, and Saudi Arabia but - better idea since you expressed interest:
YOU DO ALL THAT.
I just know it has been done - for decades. Last I looked, sea level is sea level. I don't see anything all that uniquely prohibitive on an engineering level with regard to implementing it in California.
AND -
Maybe take a broader view of things, Strat. The U.S. has railroad, highway, electrical grid infrastructure, etc. Since our country is surrounded on three sides by oceans and seas, it could well be worth it to network desalination plants throughout our coastlines.
Gone would be most droughts, fretting over snowmelt and rain frequency, relying on the Colorado River urine stream - in other words -> ADEQUATE WATER SUPPLY.
We harness oil from the ground to power our economy; so why not harvest the water supply that, again, is all around us.
And maybe a by-product of desalination:
As we drink, irrigate, fight fires, etc. with that purified water from the oceans, maybe "rising sea levels" that have certain groups knickers in a twist might actually level off or (gasp!) recede. Then those same groups could warn us of "receding sea levels" 
Sound good?
J Mo'
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stratdancer
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 09:56 AM
It's an interesting discussion and there is a great article on the subject including the 12 existing DeSal plants in California. A good discussion in a science group. I just don't think that blaming people for a disaster caused by blow torch winds and a crackle dry environment is appropriate.
https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/f9a8925252d84528997dd69a4f287f4a
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Brian
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 11:54 AM
WTF guys? The next person that talks about desalination plants in this thread is getting banned.
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JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 12:18 PM
Stratdancer,
Not mentioning anything Brian doesn't want to see anymore but I did read the article you posted - while I was having some coffee and munching some sea-salt potato chips.
J Mo
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ArtS
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 01:50 PM
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Sonichris
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Posted on Jan 12 2025 05:56 PM
We (Colorado and Denver/Boulder) went through this 2 years ago, almost exactly to the day. The first response is "who do we blame?"
But, the real truth is that this a tragedy that can't be stopped. Crazy wind made it impossible to fight the fire effectively. I know many fire fighters, who are far far tougher than any of us here, and all they could do was the best they could, which at times was basically watch it burn. It's easy to point fingers, and arm-chair fire fight. Sometimes mother nature is a MF'er who can't be stopped.
I'm hoping for a quick end to it, and for all my friends in CA to be safe.
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JohnnyMosrite
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Posted on Jan 14 2025 12:02 PM
Latest I've heard:
Normans Rare Guitars in Tarzana are under an Evacuation Warning - so far.
And Guitar Center is offering grants to replace destroyed instruments due to the fires.
https://consequence.net/2025/01/guitar-center-replace-instruments-destroyed-in-la-wildfires/
It's a surprisingly nice gesture by GC.
However, to be realistic -
An instrument can be replaced but a priceless high-end instrument that can 't and isn't going to be made anymore for a variety of reasons can have a substitution but never a replacement.
J Mo'
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pavlovsdog
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Posted on Jan 14 2025 03:43 PM
I live down the street from Norm's, a lot will have to burn before it gets to the boulevard. They were evacuating at the top of the hill overlooking the valley, but I believe they were holding the line at Mulholland. Friday evening the hillside looked like Mordor, but as of today I didn't see smoke in that area on my way into work.
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ArtS
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Posted on Jan 14 2025 05:22 PM
Pavlov,
Thanks for the update. Hope you and your family are safe!
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