TheFintastics
Joined: Jul 28, 2008
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Wichita Falls, Texas
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 10:05 AM
This is something I've always wondered about. If you're in the recording business, please enlighten me!
What steps must a person follow when recording a dozen cover songs by platinum-selling A-list bands, then charge $25 a pop for merch?
Obviously it must be legal, or he'd be getting shut down immediately. What's the legal process? Or is it simply "do it anyway" and not care who's toes you step on?
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revmike
Joined: Feb 26, 2006
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North Atlantic
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 10:20 AM
In Canada there is a licensing society to help with releasing your own recordings of other people’s songs. It works out to about $50 per song for up to 500 physical copies. In Canada it would cost a total of $1100 for a dozen songs. Digital is a different issue.
https://www.cmrra.ca/music-users/need-a-licence/
In the US there are several places that say they can do it. The Harry Fox Agency is the one I have heard about.
Here is an article to help you out. There is a lot of info on the web. https://www.tuneregistry.com/blog/how-to-legally-record-and-sell-a-cover-song-in-3-steps
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simoncoil
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 10:29 AM
I know how it is handled in Germany, because I played with two guys working in the music industry for years (only one of them is still in the band): The publisher of a record sends a notification to the copyright collective handling the works of the music's composer (here, it's GEMA in 99% of the cases) listing the songs you recorded and the number of records you want to press. Juristically, the pressing plant is obligated to make sure that the publisher has done this, because otherwise pressing the records is illegal. Then, the copyright collective sends an invoice for the licence fees to the publisher. You pay the fee, and then you are good to go, and the copyright collective forwards the money to the composers.
Whether the songs are by successful or unknown artists, is more or less irrelevant, because the collectives usually have the same contract with every composer.
Now here is the absurd part: If you have GEMA handling the licensing for your own songs as well (like we do), you are required to licence your own songs from them when you press records. And they pay it back to you some time later...
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TheFintastics
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Wichita Falls, Texas
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 10:39 AM
Thank you for the feedback, guys!
Back during the 2020 COVID shutdown, I was contemplating recording a 10-song album of covers we'd performed live at gigs.
I wondered what the legalities would have been like. For licensing $50-$100 a song, I'd easily went for it, seeing that you'd need to sell about 200 albums to break even.
Good to hear from you, Simon!
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chiba
Joined: Sep 02, 2022
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Central VA
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 11:47 AM
Hey Gellert - I put a Mötley Crüe song on my first EP and went through the licensing process. It was straightforward, but had a number of steps.
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Create an account with a service like TuneLicensing (tunelicensing.com). You'll need a license for each way you plan to release each song - digital, vinyl, CD, cassette, etc. One sale = one "unit" towards your license. I got 100 for each of my release methods, at a cost of $29 (digital), $34 (CD), $34 (vinyl/LP). If I sell more than 100 copies in any of those mediums, I'll have to renew the license. To properly establish the license, you'll need a UPC for the album (see #2) and an ISRC (see #3) for each song on the album. These two things allow the licensing authorities to track your sales.
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If you're selling physical copies, you'll need a UPC (bar code), a unique one for each medium - i.e., one for CD, one for vinyl. Create an account with a service like GS1 US (gs1us.com). Each bar code will cost you $30, but they last forever, so it's not a recurring cost.
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Create an account with the ISRC (usirsrc.com). You'll need to create a registrant (I used my side business), and you must use the correct Country Code (they'll give you the right one for the USA) and Registrant Code (assigned by ISRC). The rest of the ISRC numbers include two digits for the year of the release and then 5 digits you make up yourself. The entire format is CC-RRR-YY-NNNNN. You'll also need the ISRC for each song if you put the songs on any streaming services. There is no cost associated with establishing this account or your ISRCs.
So to license one song for digital, CD and vinyl, cost me a total of $157. Had I included additional songs - and provided the licensing rate would be the same for the first one - each additional song would have only cost me $97, since the UPC cost is at the album level while the licensing cost is per song. If you only did one or two mediums instead of 3 like I did, the cost per song would be even less.
It seems like a lot, but if you want to be 100% legal and maintain the proper licenses, it's the way to go Let me know if you have any questions!
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TheFintastics
Joined: Jul 28, 2008
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Wichita Falls, Texas
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 01:56 PM
chiba wrote:
Hey Gellert - I put a Mötley Crüe song on my first EP and went through the licensing process. It was straightforward, but had a number of steps.
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Create an account with a service like TuneLicensing (tunelicensing.com). You'll need a license for each way you plan to release each song - digital, vinyl, CD, cassette, etc. One sale = one "unit" towards your license. I got 100 for each of my release methods, at a cost of $29 (digital), $34 (CD), $34 (vinyl/LP). If I sell more than 100 copies in any of those mediums, I'll have to renew the license. To properly establish the license, you'll need a UPC for the album (see #2) and an ISRC (see #3) for each song on the album. These two things allow the licensing authorities to track your sales.
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If you're selling physical copies, you'll need a UPC (bar code), a unique one for each medium - i.e., one for CD, one for vinyl. Create an account with a service like GS1 US (gs1us.com). Each bar code will cost you $30, but they last forever, so it's not a recurring cost.
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Create an account with the ISRC (usirsrc.com). You'll need to create a registrant (I used my side business), and you must use the correct Country Code (they'll give you the right one for the USA) and Registrant Code (assigned by ISRC). The rest of the ISRC numbers include two digits for the year of the release and then 5 digits you make up yourself. The entire format is CC-RRR-YY-NNNNN. You'll also need the ISRC for each song if you put the songs on any streaming services. There is no cost associated with establishing this account or your ISRCs.
So to license one song for digital, CD and vinyl, cost me a total of $157. Had I included additional songs - and provided the licensing rate would be the same for the first one - each additional song would have only cost me $97, since the UPC cost is at the album level while the licensing cost is per song. If you only did one or two mediums instead of 3 like I did, the cost per song would be even less.
It seems like a lot, but if you want to be 100% legal and maintain the proper licenses, it's the way to go Let me know if you have any questions!
Wow, this is exactly what I was needing. I sincerely appreciate it!
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edwardsand
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Posted on Oct 18 2024 10:07 PM
This is great info to share. Original artists should be compensated for their work, and even if it's a bit complicated, it's worth doing.
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chiba
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Central VA
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Posted on Oct 19 2024 10:33 AM
Glad I could help!
The thing that surprised me the most was that even though the song I covered was written by Nikki Sixx, publishing is split five ways - when you get the license (at least through the service I used), they show you exactly how it's broken down. Now I know precisely where my $0.523 per sale goes!
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Samurai
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Kiev, Ukraine
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Posted on Oct 19 2024 11:11 AM
I have paid through Easysong something like 10 dollars for licensing Blue Monday cover I did on my EP, but I did only digital release.
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Posted on Oct 19 2024 01:27 PM
One of the beauties of digital distribution is that, at least as I understand it, you can setup to only pay for what you distribute, as opposed to paying for what you press with physical media. At least that’s what I got out of it, when I read what was on the Harry Fox site, although it wouldn’t surprise me if there were minimums involved, as Chiba mentions.
Normally, if you create physical media, and especially vinyl, you have to press a number of copies in order to make it financially feasible. So a band would want to have some albums to sell at their gigs and would pay for rights to press 500, or maybe even 1000 copies, and someone would end up with a box nearly filled with unsold copies decorating their basement floor, because the demand seldom outstripped the supply. The song publisher didn’t mind, because they get paid the same either way.
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Bernard
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Santa Monica
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Posted on Oct 25 2024 03:23 PM
synchro wrote:
One of the beauties of digital distribution is that, at least as I understand it, you can setup to only pay for what you distribute, as opposed to paying for what you press with physical media. At least that’s what I got out of it, when I read what was on the Harry Fox site, although it wouldn’t surprise me if there were minimums involved, as Chiba mentions.
Normally, if you create physical media, and especially vinyl, you have to press a number of copies in order to make it financially feasible. So a band would want to have some albums to sell at their gigs and would pay for rights to press 500, or maybe even 1000 copies, and someone would end up with a box nearly filled with unsold copies decorating their basement floor, because the demand seldom outstripped the supply. The song publisher didn’t mind, because they get paid the same either way.
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Jojobaplant
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Posted on Oct 25 2024 07:28 PM
You'll have to register with the Author's Copyrights organization of your country. I went and registered with Buma/Stemra, which is the Dutch organization for this - in Germany it's GEMA, in the US, I believe it's ASCAP. You can then register the song, but you will have to put the name of the original composer/writer instead of your own name. I mostly write my own tunes, so I don't have that problem that much, but for the few covers I have, I have registered them with Buma/Stemra which didn't cost me one penny. Membership with Buma/Stemra cost you 60-70 quid a year though and I presume it's the same with GEMA or ASCAP or BMI. But it's the safest way and they also pay you the most when it comes to copyrights. In fact, if you haven't sold enough, they will pay you the threshold amount of 70 quid. And it really doesn't matter how many copies you release. You pay a flat fee.
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