Emilien03
Joined: Jul 16, 2008
Posts: 1368
Coyoacán, Distrito Federal
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Posted on Jan 03 2024 01:02 PM
ELZEB wrote:
Pan locked, knobs almost wide open. That's what Rich Fifield told me (we exchanged a couple emails in the late 90s). When Leo let them use the prototype unit, they didn't realize they had to unlock the pan at first, that's how they discovered that sound.
so ... damping the springs ... like palm muting the strings ... makes sense ... now we can start wondering about the attenuation properties of the foam Fender used in the 60's ... 
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4446
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Jan 03 2024 05:56 PM
Emilien03 wrote:
ELZEB wrote:
Pan locked, knobs almost wide open. That's what Rich Fifield told me (we exchanged a couple emails in the late 90s). When Leo let them use the prototype unit, they didn't realize they had to unlock the pan at first, that's how they discovered that sound.
so ... damping the springs ... like palm muting the strings ... makes sense ... now we can start wondering about the attenuation properties of the foam Fender used in the 60's ...
Vintage foam sounds better than reissue foam. 
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 06 2024 03:46 PM
Hi Gang, inspired by this thread I decided to try an experiment. I just successfully repaired my #1 Gibbs pan (praise the reverb gods) and while it was out I thought I'd see if it was possible to dampen the springs just lightly enough to allow the drip but to cut off the tail of the reverb. I tried a few different materials and landed on little bits of styrofoam. I believe the results are positive and maybe a clue as to how the Astronauts got that percussive 1/8th note attack while not overwhelming the recording with reverb. You be the judge...
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4446
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Jan 06 2024 05:05 PM
DannySnyder wrote:
Hi Gang, inspired by this thread I decided to try an experiment. I just successfully repaired my #1 Gibbs pan (praise the reverb gods) and while it was out I thought I'd see if it was possible to dampen the springs just lightly enough to allow the drip but to cut off the tail of the reverb. I tried a few different materials and landed on little bits of styrofoam. I believe the results are positive and maybe a clue as to how the Astronauts got that percussive 1/8th note attack while not overwhelming the recording with reverb. You be the judge...
Danny, you are the Indiana Jones of reverb. That is perfect.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1374
New Orleans
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Posted on Jan 07 2024 12:46 PM
That sounds awesome! How do single notes / tremolo picking and chords sound? I have a '63 Gibbs pan that's broken, but nothing looks amiss. I have to try this with a new SB pan.
— Daniel Deathtide
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FritzCat
Joined: Sep 11, 2007
Posts: 676
Sonoma, CA
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Posted on Jan 07 2024 01:35 PM
Danny, it's hard to tell from the photo, are you wedging the styrofoam between the springs or just letting it rest on top of them?
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 07 2024 03:19 PM
DeathTide wrote:
That sounds awesome! How do single notes / tremolo picking and chords sound? I have a '63 Gibbs pan that's broken, but nothing looks amiss. I have to try this with a new SB pan.
Not sure, it didn't occur to me to try. I was just trying to get that astronauts rhythm guitar sound. I can try sometime and see, but I suspect it wouldn't sound very good. However, as a way to shorten the decay on longer decay pans it might prove useful. If you can find a practical way to do it.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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DannySnyder
Joined: Mar 02, 2006
Posts: 11053
Berkeley, CA
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Posted on Jan 07 2024 03:19 PM
FritzCat wrote:
Danny, it's hard to tell from the photo, are you wedging the styrofoam between the springs or just letting it rest on top of them?
I just gently placed them atop the springs.
— Danny Snyder
"With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo
Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta
Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party
Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1374
New Orleans
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Posted on Jan 26 2024 05:15 PM
Welp, it's over. I am no longer questing for drip! I wish I had done this for the Missylou demo. I got a tiny piece of light foam, real light foam, and cut it to about 1/2" by 1". I pinched the piece between the springs. I moved it, lying it on top, using multiple pieces, and tweaking the exact location along the springs.
I found that putting it right in the middle resulted in high and awesome drips but really not much else. Only by moving the foam over to one side did the regular reverb sound come back. I found this position to be the best of both worlds.
I have a sample audio file I uploaded that contains this glorious drip! I'll post the link when it gets approved!
— Daniel Deathtide
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4446
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Jan 26 2024 08:40 PM
This is fantastic. Now we know, the Astronaut’s secret.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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rfcii
Joined: Oct 28, 2018
Posts: 184
Quimper Peninsula, WA
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Posted on Jan 26 2024 10:24 PM
Wow, that sample is fantastic! Looking forward to messing with this a bit tomorrow.
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4446
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Jan 27 2024 06:14 AM
I hear that there are lines of people waiting for Hobby Lobby to open, across the nation. I’m wondering how this would sound on a Deluxe Reverb’s internal pan.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
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surferjoemusic
Joined: Jan 01, 2008
Posts: 2106
Livorno
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Posted on Feb 05 2024 02:46 PM
DannySnyder wrote:
In addition, what makes The Astronauts versions superior is not only the production but the drums are incredibly unique for a surf band as well.
You mention one of the most important things there that people don’t consider. Among the recordings we have done in the “Play the Astronauts” record with the Kilaueas please listen to the most underrated song: Batman.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
(www.surfmusic.net)
Last edited: Feb 05, 2024 14:58:35
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surferjoemusic
Joined: Jan 01, 2008
Posts: 2106
Livorno
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Posted on Feb 05 2024 03:07 PM
DannySnyder wrote:
Hi Gang, inspired by this thread I decided to try an experiment. I just successfully repaired my #1 Gibbs pan (praise the reverb gods) and while it was out I thought I'd see if it was possible to dampen the springs just lightly enough to allow the drip but to cut off the tail of the reverb. I tried a few different materials and landed on little bits of styrofoam. I believe the results are positive and maybe a clue as to how the Astronauts got that percussive 1/8th note attack while not overwhelming the recording with reverb. You be the judge...
I am glad to see you have a lot of free time these days Danny 
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
(www.surfmusic.net)
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surferjoemusic
Joined: Jan 01, 2008
Posts: 2106
Livorno
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Posted on Feb 05 2024 03:11 PM
ELZEB wrote:
Pan locked, knobs almost wide open. That's what Rich Fifield told me (we exchanged a couple emails in the late 90s). When Leo let them use the prototype unit, they didn't realize they had to unlock the pan at first, that's how they discovered that sound.
The fender reverb unit was already well in production since more than 1 year when the Astronauts went to LA. Why Fender would have given them a prototype?! Makes no sense to me.
— Lorenzo "Surfer Joe" Valdambrini
(www.surfmusic.net)
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DeathTide
Joined: Apr 13, 2018
Posts: 1374
New Orleans
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Posted on Feb 18 2024 02:30 PM
I could not find my uploaded sample, but here it is!
https://surfguitar101.com/downloads/details/961/
— Daniel Deathtide
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synchro
Joined: Feb 02, 2008
Posts: 4446
Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.
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Posted on Feb 18 2024 02:42 PM
Goin’ to Drip,City, gonna have some fun. Nice sounds, Daniel.
— The artist formerly known as: Synchro
When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar.
Last edited: Apr 16, 2024 23:30:51
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AgentClaret
Joined: Jan 30, 2024
Posts: 129
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Posted on Apr 16 2024 10:27 PM
I feel like I'm getting really close...
Surfy Bear Classic V3, with tone and dwell all the way up and mix at 3/4s
Blossom Point at 3 o'clock
EHX Oceans 11 in 'plate' mode, just slightly dialed into the mix with repeat knob at about 12 o'clock
EHX Germanium 4 Big Muff (just the overdrive side, slight OD, no fuzz)
And my kinda crappy solid state Fender Ultimate Chorus amp.
I'm trying to work a slight slap echo in there for even more drip but I need to play with the pedal order a bit more.
I like the idea behind the foam you guys are using but the Surfy Bear is my only outboard reverb unit and I don't wanna take it apart to get at the pan...
Last edited: Apr 16, 2024 22:30:04
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