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AndrewTesta Joined: Mar 18, 2020 Posts: 125	Posted on Jul 22 2023 09:50 PM Has anyone ever built/installed a tone ring baffle into a twin? Do they even work in open back amps? Top
Redfeather Joined: Jul 30, 2016 Posts: 887	Posted on Jul 22 2023 10:00 PM I can't answer yes to your question but I will bro science speculate that you'd probably get more bass by simply closing up the back of a Twin cab. Top
subdigit6 Joined: Oct 27, 2010 Posts: 116 Centennial, Co	Posted on Jul 22 2023 10:09 PM Close the back, put in a tone ring, hell maybe port it. Let’s see if you can get it up to 200 pounds Top
AndrewTesta Joined: Mar 18, 2020 Posts: 125	Posted on Jul 22 2023 10:46 PM Last edited: Jul 22, 2023 22:48:20 Top
AndrewTesta Joined: Mar 18, 2020 Posts: 125	Posted on Jul 22 2023 10:46 PM AndrewTesta wrote: subdigit6 wrote: Close the back, put in a tone ring, hell maybe port it. Let’s see if you can get it up to 200 pounds And 2000° lol Top
kick_the_reverb Joined: Feb 26, 2006 Posts: 1337 Escondido, CA	Posted on Jul 22 2023 11:14 PM Odd question. Tone-Ring cabs have closed backs and double baffles with a port around the speaker. So, no point in just adding a baffle to an open back combo cab. Ran — The Scimitars Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Jul 23 2023 09:06 AM It won't fit in that cab. Plus the back is open so there is no benefit. I'd imagine in might sound thinner! But trust me, there is no room. I made four 15" baffles before getting it right, and the solution was to do a double cut out, recessing the speaker frame just enough so the speaker can be centered and not hit the transformer. We're talking 1/8" - 1/4" of clearance. — Daniel Deathtide Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Jul 23 2023 09:47 AM I've seen the opposite though, Twin Reverb chassis installed in it's own cabinet and then combined with a tone-ring cabinet. — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Jul 23 2023 12:23 PM That makes it a 4 ohm showman, and that is a decent combination but for the impedance mismatch. (Unless there's a 4 ohm speaker in that tone ring cab.) They do make 12" tone rings and that would probably fit in a twin cab. But you would have to go down to one speaker so you would still have the impedance mismatch. And you'd still have the open back defeating the purpose of the tone ring. — Daniel Deathtide Top
DannySnyder Joined: Mar 02, 2006 Posts: 11053 Berkeley, CA	Posted on Jul 23 2023 06:42 PM DeathTide wrote: That makes it a 4 ohm showman, and that is a decent combination but for the impedance mismatch. (Unless there's a 4 ohm speaker in that tone ring cab.) True, I actually have a 4Ω Weber Cali in my tone ring to use with my Dual Showman. I also installed a multitap transformer in my 62 Bandmaster with 4/8/16Ω switch. — Danny Snyder "With great reverb comes great responsibility" - Uncle Leo Playing keys and guitar with Combo Tezeta Formerly a guitarist in The TomorrowMen and Meshugga Beach Party Latest surf project - Now That's What I Call SURF Last edited: Jul 23, 2023 18:44:00 Top
AndrewTesta Joined: Mar 18, 2020 Posts: 125	Posted on Jul 23 2023 09:32 PM DeathTide wrote: That makes it a 4 ohm showman, and that is a decent combination but for the impedance mismatch. (Unless there's a 4 ohm speaker in that tone ring cab.) They do make 12" tone rings and that would probably fit in a twin cab. But you would have to go down to one speaker so you would still have the impedance mismatch. And you'd still have the open back defeating the purpose of the tone ring. In the process of putting a 4ohm 15” in my twin, didn’t know if tone ring was possible or even a good idea which I see now it is not lol Top
Nitromessiah Joined: Jul 03, 2012 Posts: 26	Posted on Oct 29 2023 11:55 AM You do realize it would make a Twin basically stationary, right? I mean you would need a forklift to move it. Plus if you closed in the back, you'd have to do something about cooling the tubes and transformers. A head/cab is the only sane thing to do. And yes, done lots of times. Beaver somebody makes those cabs already Top
synchro Joined: Feb 02, 2008 Posts: 4452 Not One-Sawn, but Two-Sawn . . . AZ.	Posted on Oct 29 2023 12:57 PM Nitromessiah wrote: You do realize it would make a Twin basically stationary, right? I mean you would need a forklift to move it. Plus if you closed in the back, you'd have to do something about cooling the tubes and transformers. A head/cab is the only sane thing to do. And yes, done lots of times. Beaver somebody makes those cabs already Muchos agreed. I had a Twin, which sounded pretty good to my ear, but I ended up with a piggyback cabinet with a single 15” 4 ohm speaker in a closed back cabinet, all covered in smooth white Tolex. It made for an impressive and capable Surf amp, with a powerful deep voice and strong, broad, highs. That amp,is currently consigned to LaVonne Musoc, in Savage, MN because I don’t anticipate the need for an amp of that size and power, in the future. Lots of good Surf sounds came out of that setup, but these days, I use a small amp and a big PA. — The artist formerly known as: Synchro When Surf Guitar is outlawed only outlaws will play Surf Guitar. Top
SixStringSurfer Joined: Sep 23, 2014 Posts: 1401 Memphis, TN	Posted on Oct 29 2023 02:39 PM I love a BF Twin Reverb, but they are just too darn heavy. I don't think converting it to a tone ring would benefit the amp, if anything just the opposite (weight, tone, etc...). — MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website. Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Oct 30 2023 06:44 PM Just as a follow up, that 1972 twin that I put the Steelaire speaker in is by far my favorite sounding of the twins. It is way better than the two JBLs. It's much lighter, and more top-heavy. The 15" speaker weighs about half of what one of the 12" speakers weighs. It is much easier to carry than it used to be. In fact it's not really even that heavy anymore! — Daniel Deathtide Top
beaverbottoms Joined: Nov 08, 2011 Posts: 86 Chicagoland	Posted on Nov 04 2023 10:32 PM Yes, I do. every color made Rough Blonde Smooth Blonde Black 10” 12” 15” Top
SixStringSurfer Joined: Sep 23, 2014 Posts: 1401 Memphis, TN	Posted on Nov 05 2023 04:23 PM DeathTide wrote: Just as a follow up, that 1972 twin that I put the Steelaire speaker in is by far my favorite sounding of the twins. It is way better than the two JBLs. It's much lighter, and more top-heavy. The 15" speaker weighs about half of what one of the 12" speakers weighs. It is much easier to carry than it used to be. In fact it's not really even that heavy anymore! Wow, this is really good to know. I love everything about Twins except for their weight! Obviously, this is not a tone ring, correct? Never the less, good to know you shaved a lot of weight off of the amp. — MooreLoud.com - A tribute to Dick Dale. New Singles "Finish Line" and "Paradiso" on Bandcamp and website. Top
DeathTide Joined: Apr 13, 2018 Posts: 1378 New Orleans	Posted on Nov 07 2023 12:38 PM Indeed, no tone ring. The tone ring makes everything bassy, which is the opposite of what I want for my surf guitar tone. The bass is always down to zero on both amps (which as you know makes a huge difference on the brown panel amps), and I even use a bass cut pedal. Unless the amp is super super loud, I feel the tone ring is not beneficial. Even when the amp is super loud I think this, but it's not as bad; the bass is not dominating over the mids and highs. Tone rings sound like they were made for jazz, to me. — Daniel Deathtide Top
Wellens_ Joined: Nov 05, 2023 Posts: 58 Brussels Area	Posted on Nov 07 2023 05:39 PM I second Ran's comment above. Cheers, Andy — Cheers, Wellens https://m.facebook.com/TheArousals For the daring... and lusty! Top

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